Writ-with-Hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ39uvUvjOw

No just joking (with the video). I tend to agree with you. U.S. girls and women are often as violent or more violent than U.S. men. (nice video though )

Writ-with-Hand

I had words with a guy once over the way he was berating his wife in front of me and others (in a very humiliating way). I don't and do regret it. Domestic situations are an iffy and difficult ground sometimes. 9 times out of 10 women are going to stay with their old man and later you'll be treated like the jag off.

I'm very cynical of humanity (not that I'm innocent I'm part of the problem) and from my observation throughout my life what I consistently see is being nice or concerned doesn't pay. Most women would prefer and evil prick to a loving, nice guy. Personally, for the most part, I prefer to mind my own business. (but situation dictates - I really wish I didn't care at all because life would be easier and that would be safer for me)

AA

Yes, I saw this special investigation thing, and whenever a stranger would intervene in domestic issues, suddenly the wife would turn and they would both berate the 'gentleman' who was getting involved in their business.

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Writ-with-Hand

I agree with you, A-L, but not everyone has that particular formation you do. I know from personal experience that "A soldier dies but one death, a coward dies a thousand." I've been a coward before, in very bad situation for someone else. I had no idea I was walking into the situation I was. But see this is the thing about life, danger can visit you, or you visit "it," when you least expect. And it can come with speed like a bolt of light. So, what do you do?

Some people are also just more naturally aggressive and or courageous than others. You can be born daring and develop rugged in a nice, quite, rural area where people and neighbors have decent respect for one another and others. You can also be born in Detroit, London, or Sao Paulo and be a male with a gentle disposition, a kind heart, and more easily frightened than others.

So, some of us not born "tough" simply need a formation that can "toughen" us so to speak.

qwertyman

I've been a regular visitor to Spain dating back to the Franco era.

Four years in a row in the early 90's we were robbed every visit. The Guardia weren't interested, kept us waiting an hour and a half and made us stand, (he was seated), whilst taking our statements.

The perpetrators weren't foreigners but out of work Spanish construction workers who had been lured away from agriculture to the higher wages of the towns and left redundant by the property crash.

My fear is that history will repeat itself and the crime rate will be multiplied as more and more Spanish Nationals become unemployed by the latest property debacle. Add that to your current problem of non-national's crime and you have an unresolveable problem.

Time to leave town. Not a very helpful suggestion if you have an apartment to sell in a property slump.

Spain is still a wonderful country, personally I can't keep away, but I have ceased to recommend it.

Writ-with-Hand

Damn. I didn't know Spain was that bad.

And they have all those nice looking, swarthy, women in the south. (actually... I can't help but wondering how well the rumps on these women looked that this guy grabbed. Hehe)

HarryG

What is your problem, girl.? Why do you post snide remarks on an internet forum? I love women, I'd gladly lay down my life for them, you included.


You weren' t that lunatic barred from the Caledonian for fighting with a social worker.​?


Anyway, I'd like you to know that I'm disappointed with you. I've given you no reason to be nasty to me. My silly fingers are hovering over the keyboard.


Does your husband's name start with an L?

Remedy

Congraulations. You were brave enough and compassionate enough to do something where no one else would. You have my respect for that, and I'm sure the women (at least the old ones) appreciated it.

I am surprised that no one did anything. That's rather unacceptable. I admit to being used to my partner, who has mentioned on past occassions that he would kill someone for doing such a thing (I don't doubt him either; that's part of his nature), and personally, I would have murderered him myself.

There's more to a fight than size though. There are multiple parts of the body that are highly sensitive, and assuming that just one threw a punch, I suspect mob mentality (or shame) would have gotten the others going. Because Harry was a bystander (ie, not molested and not a husband of the molested), they would not have felt the same connection with him and thus helped.

I wonder if that mob mentality is why they didn't react in the first place. I'm not sure how many people are peaceful compared to how many would fight back, so I cannot be sure of the odds, but I would think there would be at least one person who wanted to do something about it. I wonder if the first ones just inspired the rest to remain passive.

Cheers. My biggest dog (over 110 pounds, a lot of it muscle) loves all people. He'd just way his tail and run around in circles (unless you're another, bigger dog; then he might bite you). My other dog has gotten surprisingly protective over the years, but she's too old and frail to do much. Although I'd kill anyone who hurt her, so there's that.

Bah. You did a good service for him and his patrons. Did he want the man to continue to frequent his establishment? You shouldn't have to pay for that.

There is a difference between domestic issues and what the OP described, however. It's interesting how people can become defensive of their spouses, even when they're being wronged.

I agree with you, and I suspect that's a large part of what happened and why there's a slight difference in opinions as to what should have been done. To me, as someone who's naturally aggressive, it would be unthinkable to not do something. To a more peaceful, milder person, it may be unthinkable to get involved.

Foxee

I have to disagree. Sure, size-wise in physical combat I wouldn't have a chance. However, we aren't talking about physical combat...we're talking about a bully who thinks that the women will just sit there like lambs and let him do whatever he wants.

When someone is this arrogant they aren't expecting a woman to reach up, matter-of-factly grab the cartilage of his ear with her nails and squeeze hard as she yanks him off-balance. For extra fun the woman's knee could be jabbed against his thigh, off-balancing him further. Continue using the oaf's weight against him. Bounce his head off the bar. I'm totally serious. When I say what I would do, I mean it not as bravado or that I am physically stronger than a man (I am not), I mean that there is a time to capitalize on whatever advantages you DO have and refuse to be victimized.

If this scenario happened where there were no Harrys to back me up if the cossack didn't back down (say accosted in a back alley) the scenario may be much different.

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The Backward OX

In my experience, querty has been known to wield a heavy hand.

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The Backward OX

Strike Two!

I'm reasonably certain this Harry is an aggressive type who goes around looking for fights.

Quite a while back he posted another story about some old cunt (his word, not mine) he met on a ferry; Harry was determined to throw him overboard because he abused the English people, but the old bloke scarpered for the safety of a crowded part of the ship.

With such inside knowledge I am disinclined to attach too much to this bar episode. It's a Harry thing.

And, of course, reacting in the way you all have, pre-supposes that the story in this thread is true. This is the Internet, remember. And Harry is a good story-teller/writer. Every single one of you has reacted as if the story is true. It's a story. Where's the proof it's a true story? Do you carry on like this when you take a book from a shelf in a bookstore and start browsing? I'm not convinced it's true. He might simply be looking for kudos.

I could be wrong. I'm often wrong. I'm just saying.











This remembering things others said in the past is part of my charm I guess. A certain Transit van also comes to mind.

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Malone

Once in college I was with my girlfriend at the ATM waiting for her to get money, and some guy came up behind her and slapper her ass hard as hell. It turns out it was some guy she'd grown up with who was just playing around, but I didn't know that, and he didn't realize I was her boyfriend. I was so shocked I just stared at him for a couple seconds, then knocked the shit out of him. It wasn't a heroic thing, it was me cold cocking a guy who didn't know it was coming. He fell and hit his head on the tile and got a concussion so we had to take him to the ER. I felt pretty stupid because he kept apologizing saying he was just playing around trying to surprise her because they hadn't seen in each in along time and if he knew I was her boyfriend he wouldn't have done it. I was still kind of pissed, though. I guess I was in the wrong. My girlfriend said she was about to hit him herself until she realized who it was.

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Battlemage

HarryG!? Where the h___ do you live??????? Good grief! IT's like reading some sci fi novel or something! America is nothing lilke this, my friend. I had my younger days as a bar-hopper, I guess you could say. Good grief. You had a freaking cool arse bar experience, my friend!

I am glad you didn' run. You have story to tell you children and your childrens children. You hero, you!

Good grief! Why couldn't I have seen something like this???

Stay man! STay...and go back.

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JosephB

OX, I'm skeptical, but I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, if for no other reason that if Harry was going to make something up, surely he could do better than this. So much of the story seems to defy human nature. It's all quite implausible.

The fact that it's framed up as some sort of dilemma -- did I do the right thing? -- masks a blatant request for a pat on the back. Because of course, everyone's going to say yes, and he comes off the hero. That's just plain self-gratification. If there was such a need for that, to the point where he'd fabricate a story just to get it, well...hopefully not.

On another note, sarcasm does seem to be lost sometimes. Oh well.

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edropus

I didn't believe it when I read it. But that might be from living in the U.S. If this story happened here, the bar owner would've most likely given the OP up (to not do so would be obstruction of justice) as this is a case of assault. Even writing about it would be an admission of assault as well as obstruction for fleeing the scene. Not sure about the 'internet credibility' side of the legal parts, and I don't know Harry's local laws.

Not calling the OP a liar, or saying it's not true. Just saying I didn't believe it when I read it. Why would someone lie about something like this? Not my question to answer.

I've been silently agreeing with lin all week, which makes me feel weird as it is. Now Ox? I'm gonna go drink feeling back into my brain.

I just had to toss this out there as I was surprised he was the first person to bring the subject up.