blazeofglory

I write on several forums. And I write on a variety of subjects from literature to Economics. I love sharing with people. But here on this forum I do not know why people do not respond. They are very apathetic and unconcerning. If anybody happens to respond it is nothing but sharp criticism.

Is there a particular standard they have in mind? I do not knw why there is no warm response.

Writing comes from a vast repository, but some people choose to be confined to a particular style and tradition. They are too much convention bound. Today literature has undergone a great change, indeed a tremondous metamorphosis.

Tradition is bunk, rubbish. I detest those who advoacte for rules and attach thensleves rules of grammar.
Literature should something new, and it should get people aware of what goes with human beings, their sensibilities, pathos or how their social values, systems or structures are termenting or delimiting their existence.

But here our so called critics or detractors busy themsleves with purity or tradition. We must break with tradition and dillapidate the wall.

Now English has been a global language, and a few countries who consider themselves authority on English are very critical of the use of the English language used by other non-native speakers. They have vainglories. I too often counter such purists. This is non sense. As long as one can fully express his or her ideas and communicate across clearly and meaningfully that serves the objective. The style or grammar is nonsense.

I got disheartened by some of the native writers who charge me with my ungrammatical sentece structures. But I continued notwithstanding their challenges. For I need Englsih to come across you guys or else I could not share my views the way I am able to do now.

My remark is let us be unbiased and open to one another and forget egos.

I apologize if am too much judgemental.

Baron

After reading this it's easy to understand why you would want to dispense with the rules of style and grammar.

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velo

this is a writing forum, discussion forums are down the page.

people respond when they want to, which is a fair amount of the time. I don't respond to everything, I have a life, a job, I need to actually write something other than crits, etc. I respond when I feel a need to, otherwise I read and move on. If I have nothing productive to post, I don't bother.

Don't mistake discretion for apathy.

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winkash

I don't know exactly what responses you refer to. I can only relate to my experience which is that, whenever I happen to notice that somebody is making fun of me, I react, which is not unexpected but natural. So, I bear your harsh criticism, you bear my response. That's all. However sometimes even a tough response is necessary for us to open our eyes, since maybe we are too convinced that our writing is good quality when it actually causes a very different effect on others. Then you realize that perhaps you have been too biased about it. That is why we need people who read us and give us their opinion.
Now, it is my experience that some people's responses have in fact many interpretations and some of them are intended to themselves only. It is my fault that whenever I detect a private joke about me, I want to participate. OK? But that is me.
As for tradition and grammar, grammar or tradition (I don't really understand whether you refer to the same thing, i.e. a set of rules) I deem it proper to preserve some extent of correctness for the sake of communication.
I'm not a native speaker and have the ambition to write in two or more languages. This is the reason why I try to keep updated and appreciate when anybody here on in other forums highlights my mistakes. Sometimes, as you perhaps will see, I use my own mistakes as vehicles of communication, but I'd rather keep up with a correct use of grammar. Well, this is what I'm trying to do right now. How do you like it?

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Futhark

Blaze: I'll answer your post in two sections. First, about why you don't get much response. That one's pretty easy: you're new. This forum is a good microcosm of the world in general. Just like most people won't read a story by an author they've never heard of, you need to post more than just thirty times for people to start recognizing your name and want to read your work. Hell, I've got over a hundred posts (still not very many, by the way), and I'm still struggling to get feedback. The critiques I do get, though, are almost always helpful. I've even found that the harsh ones are often the most illuminating.

Which brings me to your second point: your apparent disregard for grammar. Let me put it to you this way. Grammar and spelling are a writer's musical notation. Your argument against this "bunk tradition" is about the same as showing a composer a song you wrote and telling him to just ignore pitch, note value, tempo, and all that other rubbish and just understand what your little squibbles mean. And getting mad when he says he can't play the piece.

I'm not trying to be mean here. But spelling and grammar make up the framework in which a writer works and a reader understands. If you load your readers down with... erm... unconventional basic structure, that just serves to bury your story (which I assume is the most important part). A good writer can play around with the rules, but it takes a very firm grasp of the basics to be able to pull this off to good effect. Just ignoring grammar and spelling for the hell of it does not constitute "good effect." It does, however, give a person very good reason to put your story down and go find something better to read.

No one's trying to be nasty. (Okay, maybe a few...) The thing is, this is mostly a forum for critique. The fundamental level of critique is technical, which means spelling and grammar. Just like the racket a kid makes when he pounds on a piano's keys, work flawed on a technical level is jarring and not at all beautiful or moving.

All we're trying to do is help you find the right notes. Or, if you don't want to learn them, at least stop you from breaking the piano.

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smilinghelps

blazeofglory,
I went through your original posts and found that you did receive responses (maybe only a few) but none of them were ignored. You even had 7 responses to your Welcome post. I'm not quite sure what it is that you're expecting?

Perhaps you could visit the Lounge a bit, play some word games and step into a debate or two. Some threads can be tough, so choose carefully--the point being--become part of the group, help us get to know you. When we see someone we "know" post new work, we make a point to read it.

Hope to see you and your work,
smilinghelps

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Ilasir Maroa

Um... you have thirty posts... not that many.


I read all your posted works, and I think you are slightly exaggerating your lack of grammar. The reason I think so few people posted is because they didn't like the pieces enough. In poetry, you seemed to get as many responses as everybody else gets on average, and in Short Stories, you got some, too. You have more responses to your threads than posts, and I don't see that as a lack of repsonses.

I also notice you have posted only about two or three critiques as well. I know I had a few hundred posts, and many critques before I posted my first piece.

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Lost in Some Story

I'm going to have to echo smiling on this one. This is a community, and as a community, we tend to stick up for each other. I generally try to read the work of the people I've corresponded with. I also try to read the work of the people who have taken the time to respond to something I've posted.

Ask Malone how successful networking has been in his campaign to receive responses to his posts. That guy reads EVERYTHING. He gets some really good critiques on his work too. (Way to go Malone.)

Get to know the people here. We're a generous bunch of people, but we are also a busy bunch of people. When I recognize your name, I'm more likely to visit your work.

Good luck.

Lost

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gingaTao!

What have now become THE BIG FAT RULES OF GRAMMAR (which incidentally mean little about your ability as a writer now that everyone has a sleppchecker and an grammar machine) evolved from a way of codifying rhythm. Originally they were not rules semicolon they were a way of coordinating understanding. So this device , or this . simply meant take a certain pause. Rules like not dangling a participle (which is one of my favourites) exist not because someone wanted a rule but because if you dangle a participle the thought contained in the sentence will dangle. The Rules of Grammar actually take the place of thinking about the writing and allow you to speak clearly in an homogenised way. Breaking the rules of grammar when they simply aren’t appropriate, or bending them for effect, like that, requires an understanding of why those rules exist. I politely refer you to the work of e.e.cummings for one of the best examples of using grammar creatively, an attribute which I have always admired in a writer.
It is good however to know just which rules one is breaking. (I have a rule against emoticons of which I am stubbornly proud.) i had to thunk for a moment weather that fullstop should go inside the brackets for it to be goodly done writting. One can be proud of good grammar, it is like good diction, it speaks of a nice education and good manners. Someone with excellent grammar probably has good etiquette too. My goodness, I hope that is spelled (spelt is a form of wheat) correctly as dialectly adjunct to right which is the opposite of gauche.
One must be most particular with one's mode of expression in order to give the correct impression, but then again, enjoying one's little games wit da lingwhich is essential for An Hartist.

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Actaully, spellnig is relaly not imoprtant, as lnog as the fsrit and lsat letrets are corerct. I just don't konw why soeomne wolud wnat to wirte lkie this otehr tahn to prvoe the piont.

wheelz1138

If I can't find any major flaws, or if I find a significant amount in grammar or spelling, I usually don't respond. It would take too much of my time I could be spending on a more worthwhile activity. If I'm especially drawn to the content however, I will probably respond nonetheless, and likewise if I see the poem, story or essay/ question as something as just another cookie cutter attempt to write, I will probably be too bored to finish and not respond.

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R.R.Pearce

I intend to read three or four new works every other day, I am not the best one to offer long drawn out critiques. I can offer some help on grammar. I will never rewrite what the author has written.
I will offer some suggestion to content, if I like a story or not, if it holds my interest. I like stories that show me, not tell me.
I am not much on writing poetry, I have written a few poems rather bad ones, not everyone can be a poet. I write short stories, I am working on a pair of novels. I also write erotic stories, that I cannot, post here, that's ok I work on my mainstream work here.
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blazeofglory

I am indeed elated to read so many comments. Comments are indeed what a writer wants after all. Comments of all types, of course. Not just admirations , and critiques are indeed that appeal to me, for it hones our styles of writing.

Of course no writing is perfect and everyone has a limitation of his own , and everyone is moving towards perfection and this journey is unending.

Indeed when something said in response it vitalizes the write-up.

Indeed writers, and if not all, most writers write with a readers-centric idea.

And when you find no readers, your plight will be doomed.

Indeed readership is the sum and substance of writing.