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08-20-2008, 01:43 AM
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Scientists can use computers to create just about any fucking fantasy they want to believe.
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That's just not true, when accuracy is in question.
Skepticism is wonderful, but lies are not.
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08-20-2008, 01:45 AM
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Ah, somebody's talking about science.
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Oh, is that what you were doing?
Funny, I didn't see you address science anywhere in your post.
Looked more like an ignorant old man raving about something he didn't understand.
But please, deign me fit to see more of your knowledge!
All my silly education and facts and reasoning ability are getting in the way.
PS - drop the semantics-whoring. Your intentions here are obvious. I dont' expect honesty from you at this point, but I have no problems calling your lies. |
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08-20-2008, 01:46 AM
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Suppose we are currently living in a positive universe, go back before the big bang and we are in a negative universe. All laws are opposite. Instead of there being an attraction between all matter, there is an attaction between anti-matter, and matter is repelled (by a weaker force). So instead of an matter being pulled together to form galaxies, stars, and so on, matter is pushed together (molded by the hands of God). I seem to recall some scientist proposing a less substantial force that opposes gravity. (Or did I just make that up?)
Yes, matter is finite; space and time is infinite; and our universe is on and endless cycle; but, travel out far enough beyond it and get stuck in a wall of jelly.
No lin, we are in Bizarro world!
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08-20-2008, 02:10 AM
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Your intentions here are obvious.
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Wow! Maybe THAT would be worth exploriing a little. Please tell us more. Remember to "talk up" to us. Good lad. |
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08-20-2008, 02:11 AM
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go back before the big bang and we are in a negative universe.
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Cool! Bizarro world! |
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08-20-2008, 02:11 AM
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That's just not true, when accuracy is in question.
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That's the rub, though isn't it. |
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08-20-2008, 02:26 AM
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If you genuinely see no difference between making logical conjectures based on observable evidence, and blindly believing something written down in a 2000 year old book written by nomadic goat-herders, you need to refine your semantics-whoring a little more.
Explain to me why there's no difference in the standard of proof.
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08-20-2008, 02:37 AM
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That's the rub, though isn't it.
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I see your point, but mathematics say it is true. In this reality, that's enough proof for me. Up to the Big Bang, of course, I have no idea what actually caused it.
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08-20-2008, 03:47 AM
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And people said I was nuts when I said every thread was turned into a religious debate.
Lin makes a thread about scientists and within two posts people are talking about the Bible.
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08-20-2008, 03:50 AM
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Jesus. Comment on science. SECOND POST for some reason takes off on priests and religions, as though that was at issue.
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Anyone who thinks "scientists" as a group are infallible or incapable of idiocy is treating science as a religion and deserves my sarcasm.
The rest of us give scientists permission to be fallible, make mistakes, be idiots, say dumb things, etc. A scientist being wrong is slightly more remarkable than a politician being wrong, but not much. |
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08-20-2008, 04:33 AM
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Anyone who thinks "scientists" as a group are infallible or incapable of idiocy is treating science as a religion and deserves my sarcasm.
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Oh, come off it. You jumped onto that whole, if-scientists-aren't-perfect-you-must-be-pimping-priests things as quick as the DankHorse dimwit did. Not even a nice try at saving face on it.
Lot of people aorund here need to shake off dichotomy disease. And get over religion and the anti-religion religion. |
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08-20-2008, 04:43 AM
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So "Scientists can be wrong" was completely divorced from the religion thing in your mind, was it?  |
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08-20-2008, 04:54 AM
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Like I already said - he thinks he's being slick, but his intent is glaringly obvious.
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08-20-2008, 05:08 AM
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Suppose we are currently living in a positive universe, go back before the big bang and we are in a negative universe. All laws are opposite.
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Was this just a theory off the top of your head? I don't mean that offensively, I'm trying to understand the context (skimmed the thread). It isn't supported by any scientists I'm aware of if it isn't just something you were using hypothetically.
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I seem to recall some scientist proposing a less substantial force that opposes gravity. (Or did I just make that up?)
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While many who don't really know what there talking about will rant on about anti-gravity, put simply, it doesn't exist so far as we know. It is possible that some form of exotic matter will exert negative gravity, but according to the current realm of knowledge, gravity is always positive. Other forces may resist gravity, or in some cases appear to resist gravity, but none are it's opposite.
P.S. logic dictates that any given thing is one thing, or it is not that thing. The law of non contradiction specifically excludes the possibility of something being something and not that something. So, religion vs not religion is perfectly valid from a logical perspective. It shouldn't be a focal point, however... |
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08-20-2008, 05:46 AM
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Oh good. Another thread where people can either try to demonstrate how smart they are, or show how stupid they are.
The only amusing thing is watching people achieve the latter by attempting the former.
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