John Butler Trio - Ocean (Amazing!) - Page 2 - Writers Forum

SevenWritez · 07-23-2008, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester

To truly appreciate just how hard (and how talented Butler is) you have to be able to play guitar. I've tried to play that song. Didn't even come close, and I'm a pretty good guitar player. The amount of notes, coupled with the speed he plays them, is fucking unreal.

That really isn't fair, considering the role of an artist in any medium is to convey, not to impress.

I don't mean to imply that he's untalented - I was awed by his music, but I wouldn't say his skill puts him above other musicians of an equal or similair sound.

Of course I've construed something you most likely didn't intend, so I'll just shut my pie hole.

Sam Winchester · 07-23-2008, 03:37 AM

No, the point I was making, Seven, is that only a very select amount of guitarists in the world could come close to creating a piece of music like that, never mind playing it. Judging from some of the comments on youtube, people seem to think this piece of music is rather easily played. Nowhere near. What I was saying is you can't understand how hard it is until you sit down with a guitar in your hand and the tabs for it beside you. Then you realise just how hard it really is.

And when you consider that Butler changes this solo every time he plays it, you then get an idea of how talented the man truly is.

Edit: I didn't say to truly appreciate the "song". Anyone can appreciate this piece of music.

SevenWritez · 07-23-2008, 03:40 AM

Ah, okay. It was your comment of the other artists not being on his level followed by your mention of his song's difficulty that led me to the assumption. My apologies.

That said...has anyone here listened to the beat boxing flutist? That guy's sick.

Necromortis · 07-23-2008, 03:50 AM

^Playing the theme song from Inspector Gadget, or someone else? Either way, it's epic.

~Christian

Kast13 · 07-23-2008, 03:54 AM

His finger nails freak me out.

SevenWritez · 07-23-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromortis

^Playing the theme song from Inspector Gadget, or someone else? Either way, it's epic.

~Christian

That's the guy. If you go to his website (I believe there's a link to it on his page), you can listen to a sweet hip hop/flute melody he and one of his friends made. If you have the time, go look it up. The guy's got talent.

SevenWritez · 07-23-2008, 03:59 AM

Holy shit! I went to check the site again and his album's already out! I'm buying that shit.

ALL OF YOU MUST BUY IT!

Mystery · 07-23-2008, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester

No, the point I was making, Seven, is that only a very select amount of guitarists in the world could come close to creating a piece of music like that, never mind playing it. Judging from some of the comments on youtube, people seem to think this piece of music is rather easily played. Nowhere near. What I was saying is you can't understand how hard it is until you sit down with a guitar in your hand and the tabs for it beside you. Then you realise just how hard it really is.

And when you consider that Butler changes this solo every time he plays it, you then get an idea of how talented the man truly is.

Edit: I didn't say to truly appreciate the "song". Anyone can appreciate this piece of music.

Your problem is you are playing by tabs

use your ears, dunno if it will help but it makes stuff easier to play for me and I automatically memorize the patterns im playing because I think in notes and notation as opposed to positions and frets.

In any case, I can play it, just needs a bit of fine tuning, but then again I've been playing for ages and the piano practice I do definently helps. Anyone who says it's easy is full of shit, it's been a long time since playing a song made me sweat buckets from the focus I needed to keep in time and coordinated.

ash somers · 07-23-2008, 06:02 AM

okay, here we go, check him out, front row, digital camera, bliss on a stick ...

i've got a few videos too, but they wont upload to geocities, the bastards
but you get the idea, he's awesome to watch live, up close and personal

Sam Winchester · 07-23-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kast13

His finger nails freak me out.

For picking, mate.

Necromortis · 07-23-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystery

Your problem is you are playing by tabs

use your ears, dunno if it will help but it makes stuff easier to play for me and I automatically memorize the patterns im playing because I think in notes and notation as opposed to positions and frets.

In any case, I can play it, just needs a bit of fine tuning, but then again I've been playing for ages and the piano practice I do definently helps. Anyone who says it's easy is full of shit, it's been a long time since playing a song made me sweat buckets from the focus I needed to keep in time and coordinated.

That works for some people (playing by ear) but not others. I'm one of those that it just doesn't work for. I'm partially tone deaf - I know when I have the right note but I couldn't for the life of me listen to a note and name it and know where it would be on the fretboard.

But I don't think this song would really be that hard to learn if you know how to play classical guitar. From the tab it would be a pain I would imagine, but it's mainly static chords with a few hammer-ons/pull-offs. A slide or two. It'll be the fingerpicking that's hard.

YouTube - Paganini_Caprice_no_24

Now THAT takes talent. And she's only 14 (at the time of filming). Wild.

~Christian

EDIT: In no way insinuating that the John Butler and Trio song doesn't take talent. But that Paganini on the classical guitar...it's insane. Check it out. Oh, and if you think that's amazing, here's another one from the same guitarist - simply beautiful.

YouTube - LiJie - Carlo Domeniconi - Koyunbaba Op.19

Sam Winchester · 07-23-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromortis

That works for some people (playing by ear) but not others. I'm one of those that it just doesn't work for. I'm partially tone deaf - I know when I have the right note but I couldn't for the life of me listen to a note and name it and know where it would be on the fretboard.

But I don't think this song would really be that hard to learn if you know how to play classical guitar. From the tab it would be a pain I would imagine, but it's mainly static chords with a few hammer-ons/pull-offs. A slide or two. It'll be the fingerpicking that's hard.

YouTube - Paganini_Caprice_no_24

Now THAT takes talent. And she's only 14 (at the time of filming). Wild.

~Christian

EDIT: In no way insinuating that the John Butler and Trio song doesn't take talent. But that Paganini on the classical guitar...it's insane. Check it out. Oh, and if you think that's amazing, here's another one from the same guitarist - simply beautiful.

YouTube - LiJie - Carlo Domeniconi - Koyunbaba Op.19

Sorry, that is not insane. Any guitar player worth anything can pick notes like that. What Butler does is in a different league. You don't see it, but while he's strumming the guitar he's also picking notes. Which is why it sounds like there's more than one guitar player playing, when in fact it's just him.

That other stuff is good, but for pure skill and talent level, I have to give it to Butler.

And no way is Ocean an easy song to play, even if you're the best damn guitarist in the world. It's a lot more than a few static chords and hammer-ons, pull-offs. A LOT more.

Necromortis · 07-23-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester

Sorry, that is not insane. Any guitar player worth anything can pick notes like that.

Neicht! Nein! No!

Heh. I'm not saying Butler's not good, but the two videos I've posted are virtuoso talent. Very few guitarists can play classical guitar passably. Even fewer with that level of fluidity and phrasing.

Even fewer of them can do it at fourteen years old.

~Christian

Zensati · 07-24-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ash somers

okay, here we go, check him out, front row, digital camera, bliss on a stick ...

i've got a few videos too, but they wont upload to geocities, the bastards
but you get the idea, he's awesome to watch live, up close and personal

He looks like my stupid flatmate!

Kast13 · 07-24-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester

For picking, mate.

I know, but it makes me nervous.