Mystery

Writ-in-hand, I had to go back and check exactly what I said to see where you got this idea that I think guns kill in one hit or that precision shooting is possible while moving or from long or mid range. I'm going to quote where I explained my view exactly because I'm not really bothered to churn through that huge mess of a post.

Where did I say bullets hit once and kill once? I said it before this post, and that was my fault, I didn't make my point clear enough, but after this post you getting that idea = you fail, guns fail to kill with one shot for many factors(harmless spots you can shoot at, peoples stamina, and most notable HEALTH CARE, professional medical assistance is what keeps most bullet injuries non-lethal). The idea is, and still remains that most people are under the impression(and it's usually justified) that one bullet can kill you, or that one bullet has an extremely high possibility of killing you(which it does and can, point in case = collapsed lung). And as long as this is the impression of the average person(even you thought that I had that impression) then understand one thing, people will be a lot less willing to fuck with someone who holds one, that someone who holds a visual stick.

Everything I said still stands, if you get shot with a bullet you are pretty much fucked. I like how you claim bullets cant kill in a single hit but then you go on to tell me about collapsed lungs.

And yes, my stamina does play a difference. I've taken heavy hits, very heavy hits, I've taken square shots to my stomach(if you don't know what this means, when you get hit right in your stomach, it transfers damage to your internal organs). Any bullet wound that doesn't have an adverse affect such as collapsing one of my lungs or some such isn't going to put the same pressure on me as it will the average person. I'm used to a lot of pain, most people aren't. It's the same reason why I can get hit my a police baton and shake it off.

And about police baton use, you where taught pretty much the same shit I was told as a boxer. When I got to a certain level, because I'm the kind who has a lot of punching power, I was told never to hit someone square in the face or spine when I didn't have gloves on. This is because I can cause a lot of damage, and have the potential to kill someone with those hits. I was also training in judo for a while and was taught the vital spots on someones body and how to use them to apply pain to them. I know well where you can hit to kill, and I'll reiterate my point.

You have to be a pussy to go down in one shot from a police baton unless you get hit in a "vital point", not a "fatal point". Vital points on your face are your chin, your jaw, your nose. Getting hit under the chin can cause someone to fall onto their asses since their legs stop functioning. Hitting them in the jaw with a police baton? I'd like to see them stand up, and it will never kill someone to get from the side of the jaw. The problem here, and why I said a police baton is pretty much useless, is because we aren't talking about a single person, we are talking about 30. Thats 120 hits you have to administer, on average, to 30 different targets, in the space of lets say 10 seconds? Good luck.

Congratulations on your bit explanation of police routine and training, it was interesting, but unfortunately completely pointless and invalid. This is what I'm arguing. That people will not fuck with someone holding a gun because of intimidation. The reality of a guns effectiveness contrasts the perception of a guns attractiveness. Or is everyone a trained weapons expert? You are taught from young that guns are extremely dangerous, and they are emphasized over every other weapon you can attain. This sticks to you. Also, comparing 15 year old girls to grown men = stupid.

Also, I'm sure what gave you the idea that I believe in precision shooting is where I said that if you want to stop someone big and burly you shoot them in the head of ball and socket joint. I said do it, I didn't say anyone can do it. I was talking point blank range where doing that shouldn't be hard, slam the mouth of the barrel against he shoulder and shoot. I'm not going to comment on this because I haven't been trained in firearms and I don't know what it's like to use one live, I was just telling you basic points where if you shoot, it's gave over. The guy who got attacked by the boxer should have smashed the%

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I think it has been pretty well established that any time your fingers are hitting a keyboard, you are wasting your time.

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JosephB

You're a very astute young man, AA.

Check this out:

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For a good laugh, read these aloud. It's sounds like someone speaking in tongues.

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Joseph, I actually laughed out loud.

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JosephB

AA, I am sure you comprehend this that what I'm saying because screwdriver if you didn't what I meant was you weren't brain not getting it handball ice cream cone.

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Kast13

I donno man, breaking someones ulna and radius while they protect their face is pretty effective. Whether or not it will stop 30 is debatable, I wasn't there and mob mentallity is predictible. But seeing someones forearm snapped in half and them on the ground howling in pain is a pretty good form of crowd control. And I guarantee that's in one stroke, especially on a group of 15 year old girls.

AA

But the thing you think you know with the other about my previous statements is that I'm really good at that sort of thing but no you can't just accept a person or something like that and so now I'm going home proving my point when I said the other stuff about you know what I said so if you don't think well oh well you are the dumb one at the end of the day nobody will ever believe you again they can mourn you when you stop posting because you are so embarrassed that I told you off I write really annoying nonsensical run on sentences.

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Writ-with-Hand

Mystery,

You are 100% right about the quality of medical trauma care being the most significant factor why some many lives today are saved from bullet wounding.

I think just about everything else you said was totally far off to even be a little bit close to accurate. I can't tell if you were intentionally being comical with a made up persona or if you were typing with the intent of being serious and very sincere. To be honest... I did do a bit of laughing while reading your post. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were being serious and assuming this is so I have no desire to make a joke out of you. I'll respond in a serious and polite manner then. (hoping this is not a mistake)

The reason I brought up my past training was not to flaunt or brag about what I know or knew but to try and show that your regular cops (USA) once on the force, make it to mandatory pistol range less often then what those in Security Forces Battalion (USMC) do or at least did. I was also trying to show that our pistol training was more extensive then your regular cops. And being that as it is, I was attempting to communicate that even we in Security Forces (USMC) were not Hollywood amazing with our sidearms. So, it would seem unlikely that regular cops would be Hollywood amazing with their service pistols.



i) The sucking chest wound is a threat not because the bullet collapses the lung* but because air will eventually collapse the lung. Therefore, immediate action must be taken, one of which would be to cover the wound with plastic.

ii) I acknowledged early in this thread that police batons have limited tactical use. My disagreement with you over the issue of the baton is that you basically dismissed it as an ineffective weapon altogether.

iii) I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the kind of shooting you are talking about (touching the person with the pistol barrel) is called "contact shooting." I believe that is the term but I might be wrong. Either way, whether in law enforcement or in security work, no agent wants to or should put themselves in the potential hazard of having to wrestle with a suspect or perpetrator, over their (the agent) service weapon. A number of cops in the United States have been killed with their own service pistols that someone wrested from them. One just recently was murdered in Chicago by a woman that took his pistol. And this was a veteran Chicago cop soon to retire.

In general you want distance between you and another person when you draw your weapon and even fire your weapon. If a person has a knife (or baton) and is within arms reach for you, the odds are in his or her favor that they will win if you go to draw for your weapon.

I think contact shooting is actually illegal for law enforcement to do (they're suppose top apprehend you or try to)?

Assuming a person grabs hold of your firearm or hands while your weapon is drawn, and assuming your weapons retention techniques have failed, some law enforcement are trained to fire their weapon dry whilst they struggle (meaning empty the weapon in the ground or air).




*If a person is shot with ball ammunition that the U.S. military uses (I believe, if memory serves me correct, hollow points are against the Geneva Conventions) there is good possibility the round even if travels through the body, will exit


Here is that recent case of that veteran Chicago police officer. So, your idea that no one will struggle with or attempt to disarm a uniformed police officer with a visibly holstered pistol is incorrect. Slain officer a beat cop to the core -- chicagotribune.com

Sam Winchester

I know your English isn't the best in the world, but I'm pretty sure that's where you said it. Shocking, I know.

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seigfried007

A woman with known mental imbalances is very different from a mob of spoiled teenaged girls who just like pushing random people around. Bullies tend to be more easily frightened than crazies (but drugs make a big difference).

A gun would definitely have been more intimidating to said mob than a baton, which hurts but isn't widely reputed to be lethal. gun in hand--esp after warning shot--officer is less likely to be disarmed though I wouldn't want to try having any weapon within arm's reach of said mob.

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Writ-with-Hand

Thank, Sam, he did say that. Or maybe Mystery was talking about his fists without gloves on?

lin

So if a newspaper mentions that black people are black it is RACIST???????????????

In fucking credible.

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