The Dark Knight! - Page 5 - Writers Forum

JosephB · 07-23-2008, 03:12 PM

Wow. You guys take this stuff seriously. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Malone · 07-23-2008, 03:30 PM

Yeah, seven is right about it being hard to beat the joker as a baddie.

I'm not sure about minor baddies. I love Scarecrow, but I'd never heard of Raj before Batman Begins, and I never really got into him as a nemesis.

I could see Freeze being really gruesome if they do him the same way as Two Face and Joker, but I'm scared to see any of the baddies that were used in the post-Burton Batman films.

What it comes down to is, they shouldn't have killed Two Face.

JosephB · 07-23-2008, 03:38 PM

I think the TV show was the best Batman, by far. Adam West could kick Christian Bale's ass.

Malone · 07-23-2008, 03:40 PM

One of my first memories is watching the Batman movie with Adam West, when Penguin, Joker, Riddler, and Catwoman all team up to destroy poor old Adam. I thought that was about the greatest thing in the world when I was four. I didn't even realize it was supposed to be lame, I just thought it was kick ass.

SevenWritez · 07-23-2008, 03:44 PM

*Spoilers*Batman's girl will rise from the dead as zombie Catwoman. And she will use magic to bring back Two Face. And it will be Called "The Knight of the Living Dead." And cinema history will repeat itself. Somewhere, Spider Man 3 is laughing.Joseph, have you seen the movie yet? It's not that I'm taking it seriously, but damn it if that thing hasn't seeped into my brain (hence the avatar and signature change). I expected it to be good, but I didn't expect it to soar miles past it's own hype. I thought Batman Begins was an okay film, and I didn't like it as much as everyone else seemed to when it was released. But Jesus, The Dark Knight is just too damn great a movie to forget.
EDIT: Why won't it let me indent any of my paragraphs?

tristiano · 07-23-2008, 04:31 PM

I felt it was somewhat of a let down. The joker was cool, I have to figure out how he made his eyes look like that, with the streaks... It seemed to me they only made the movie for the money. It was rather "meh". Just the typical, old superhero + special effects + bad guy + woman = summer blockbuster. Basic math.

*tightly grips desk and braces self*

A Vaulter's Insanity · 07-23-2008, 04:40 PM

Well...looks like we know who batmans next nemesis is. tristiano...you better get some super powers real quick

But I think they could do some cool stuff with someone from the league of assassins, Harley Quin, Firefly, Anarky...and maybe Riddler. But Riddler just wouldnt be able to compete with Joker for insane villain, even though whats-his-face made a comment that he could be in the next one.

And Nolan did say that he wanted to use villains that hadnt been seen before on the big screen.

S-wo · 07-23-2008, 04:52 PM

Oh yeah i saw this a few days ago and it was amazing. Joker's performance was great. I would like to see Clayface and Scarface in the next film.

k3ng · 07-24-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tristiano

I felt it was somewhat of a let down. The joker was cool, I have to figure out how he made his eyes look like that, with the streaks... It seemed to me they only made the movie for the money. It was rather "meh". Just the typical, old superhero + special effects + bad guy + woman = summer blockbuster. Basic math.

*tightly grips desk and braces self*

FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!

*BOOM*

JosephB · 07-24-2008, 10:03 AM

Hmm. Sounds good. Might spring for a babysitter.

SoNickSays... · 07-24-2008, 02:12 PM

Sorry for the similarities in our signatures and avatars, Seven, but Heath was just too damn good.

What I loved about this movie is how believable it is. None of these people have super powers. None of these people have mechanic suits that shouldn't be made for another 10 years. None of them get angry and turn green.
The only super powers they have are their own personal demons, and that is enough to make them infallable in our minds.

I love how the Joker is portrayed as some unstoppable being rather than a human. Like Michael Caine says: he just wants to watch the world burn. No motive, no grudges, no cares. Just death and destruction. And that is how the Joker SHOULD be portrayed.

The Joker must be psychopathic. If at any point in the movie the Joker portrayed a weakness, or any negative sign of losing control, it would have been ruined. He had to keep the grin on his face. He had to keep laughing manically. He had to keep it comical only to himself.

Heath does this perfectly.

For me, if it wasn't for Heath Ledger playing the Joker like he did, the movie would have been an 8, or scraping a 9. But because this psychopath raided the screens with his "Kill for the absolute fun of it, not for money" attitude, the movie kicked ass. It blew up Iron Man. it rubbed The Hulk's face in the dirt.

Because of the acting Heath gives us, the Joker is scary.

The philosophies of this movie also got me. For example, how...

**SPOILER**

...The Joker takes the greatest White Knight they had and turned him into the killer he became (Two-Face) was a perfect reflex of his power. The Joker can bring the maniac out of every person, even the greatest of heroes.

I also loved the way they portrayed Batman not as the hero, but as the villain that would help. And it's true. All these superheroes do more damage than good, but still the citizens love them, and they are above the law (Hancock excused). But with this movie, they'll let Batman do his stuff, clearing the streets, but when it all comes down to something bad, they'll blame him. That's how the public would react. They would see the mysterious fellow who is above them both mentally and physically, who appears to want to help them, but has all the traits of someone you would expect to be a villain. Because of this, he is a villain of some sorts, but one that'll be there to help them.

**END SPOILERS**

They better not make a sequel of this movie. The movie was so great, making a seqeul will destroy it, jsut like Superman IV destroyed the Superman Film Series. Plus, they can't find a villain to top The Joker, and since Heath Ledger can't come back from the dead and give his priceless maniac character another spin, they never will.

This movie was a 10/10 by far, and Heath deserves to (posthumously) win every character oscar out there. An unbeatable performance.

Maybe I went a little over the top when expressing the Joker, but he gave this film the extra push to make it the blockbuster of the year by far

Nick

lin · 07-24-2008, 02:23 PM

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Adam West could kick Christian Bale's ass.

You gotta be kidding. Bale would go ballistic and chew off his foot.

GodofLiterature · 07-24-2008, 04:16 PM

This shit is overrated.

Choppy editing. Shitty fight sequence. Lackluster storytelling. No sense of realism. Cornball dialogue. Arcane script. No atmosphere, no motivation, no one to relate to. I didn't give a shit who died or lived. Over the top acting.

No real sense of pacing, direction, or tension. So goddamn unrealistic I felt like driving a semi-truck over Nolan's head. The horrible faggoty way cops are protrayed. Characters coming and going without any explaination. Faggoty chink there for no reason. Mob boss breaking both legs yet talking as if nothing happened. Criminals and hoodlums watching a million dollars burn without saying a word. Did Batman learn martial arts or was the elbow move the only thing he learned to do? Man, fuck this film. This film could've been a masterpiece just like the Incredible Hulk, yet they both fucked it up.

I gave this movie a B. But as more people talk, I wonder why I even bother.

Malone · 07-24-2008, 04:26 PM

This was better than both the Hulk films of the last ten years.

GodofLiterature · 07-24-2008, 06:19 PM

I thought it was the Hulk film.

No, I actually thought it was worse.