Originally Posted by Cran

interesting how one post from me in this thread
is "making a big issue" out of it, but 3 posts from Baron is not ...

perhaps it would have been better (or at least less stressful) if it had not been included - that would have made Baron happier, and me less involved ...

and if Shawn would like to confirm:

1. I did not press (nor even suggest) to have the LM adapted system included in this poll -
that decision came from elsewhere ...


2. that the sections in Shawn's system include (or at least assume) elements not yet spelled out (eg, what does a judge look for to determine, say, Technical Excellence?)


Ultimately, it doesn't matter what system is used, or none at all -
but what the judges have to work with, and what the entrants can expect ...
any system can be a starting framework,
and over time, every system gets tweaked or amended
to suit ongoing requirements or to redress shortcomings ...

To believe that any document as presented is "the final word"
really flies in the face of all of history and our experience -
how many amendments are there in the Declaration of Independence, for example?

Originally Posted by Mermaid on the breakwater

Before either of you post in response to one another I think you need to take a step back. The points you're both making really don't need to be made here in this thread. We've had the rows which didn't get resolved in a different thread so we're resolving the issue with a poll. The arguments have been made for each of the guidelines and I don't think going over the old tensions is necessary. I have no problem with cran stating the case for why he thinks his system should be adopted but i also think the time for that is over. You had your chance, Cran, and you had yours Baron, now let everyone else decide.

Originally Posted by Cran

I'm not debating - the only one treating discussions like debates is ...?

And I'd have no reason to post or reply if others weren't insisting on
portraying what they think I mean, and dragging my name into every aspect ...

as for admin/mod reactions -
if I've been so terrible and wrong, why not simply ban me?

[edit] replies since - OK ... and yes, whatever eventuates ...

Originally Posted by Shawn

This thread will be for voting. If you'd like to discuss this further, take it to the Bard's Bistro.

I think I stated quite clearly what was going to happen in the next few days; and there will be a challenge on Monday, however much dispute there is over the judging criteria. And the system voted in here will be the basis for the system for the rest of the competition as long as I am the one administrating. Anyone who would like to dispute that, or would like to change something without being a judge giving suggestions, can kindly cease to participate.

We are deciding things by popular vote here, I am going to be much less willing than Selorian to have these issues to be thrown up into the air at the whim of participants who will not take the competition for what it's worth.

The poetry matters, not the winners.