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gabriella · 04-22-2004, 09:56 AM

*applauds*

I can't see why people say you're crazy.

I don't give two shits what school I get into. If Harvard is what's going to teach me the most, and give me time to live life, then I'm going there. But if it happens to be some run-down crack-house called Asswipe, then I'll go there.

Meghan2007 · 04-22-2004, 01:28 PM

Hey! Fidel! Wanna have a competition? I do, I do! Lets see who can be the most melodramatic and self pitying. You already had your go, so my turn! my turn! Ready, set, go!

My life is an abyss of depression, I am lost in a miasma of hopelessness. I'm caught in a cloud of bad memories, for my father physically abused me in a quasisexual manner and continues beat my younger brothers. The tempest of my eating disorder is drowning me and I regularly cough up blood.

Not so funny is it? Listen buddy, its all good and well to say that you "dont care about prestige" and that you dont "want to be rich". Thats real easy to say having grown up and still growing up in American middle class. Try picking cotton and baleing hay in order to support your parents and siblings. My parents did. But the important thing is that they never, never felt sorry for themselves. They worked hard and now my dad is a captain for Southwest Airlines and my mother was an officer in the military. The point is that you can say all this nonsense about not caring about money, but you've never had to live without it. Your children might--because you wont have the financial means to provide them the same lifestyle that you had. So feel sorry for yourself and act superficially self sacrificing. Your last paragraph accomplishes both of those ends thoroughly.

SKHargan · 04-22-2004, 01:30 PM

Fides Custos - You're reading far too much into my post. No, you cannot define nor measure growth and progress, but that doesn't stop them from being. You're right that you can grow in any number of areas, but it's fact of life that when you spend your energy complaining about something instead of changing it, your progress and growth in that area stop. I don't think you can debate that, as it's a simple logical process that allows you to reach that conclusion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is certainly the right of anyone to label themselves whatever they please, but when it is a self-imposed label of a self-imposed attitude that leads to self-imposed action, and that person is complaining about that action, then I have a problem.

Prestigious schools, by definition, are well-known schools. According to the dictionary, prestige is "widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance." So yes, Harvard, Yale, Notre Dame, Oxford, they're all prestigious schools. I never told you I was hoping to get into one, I merely implied that accomplishing one's college goals is highly dependent upon that person's high school performance. My goals are entirely irrelevant to this discussion, which is why I answered your previous question with a rather sarcastic remark (the jesting nature of which you either ignored or missed entirely). As for truth and enlightenment, having attended both a prestigious school and a state school I would have to say that the prestigious school offered more in the way of an well-thought-out, enlightening academic experience. There's a reason for that: they cater specifically to those students who work hard, have above average intelligence, and are willing to think for themselves, whereas state schools tend to cater to a much broader range of people.

Finally, I think this bears saying: you need to lighten up a little bit. Take what I say more at face value, not reading too much into it. I'm not intending to get into a deep, metaphysical debate with you about the nature of truth, enlightenment, life, and goals. I'm merely objecting to the whininess that pervades threads of this kind, and doing so in what I hoped was both a humorous and poignant manner. Apparently I missed on both, but let's hope I made my point at least.

-Shawn

Kat · 04-22-2004, 01:47 PM

How many of you are still in high school?

Enjoy your life while you can. Don't look forward to growing up and getting to do what you want. Because you don't. You ae getting everything paid for by your parents. You don't have to worry about how you're going to pay the electric bill, or turn off the phone because you can't pay the hospital bills and now the creditors are calling. Worry about your future when you are in it. Have fun now.

Fides Custos · 04-22-2004, 01:49 PM

Mmmkay this was a moderately interesting one, I laughed a good bit here so I will address these by name again.

SKHargan: Drat! Here I thought I had somone who wanted to do some philosophy. Oh well. As for whiners, it's generally the way of the world. However, you need to read my posts several times more, I don't whine. I just state what lies before me, no more, no less. Also I can in fact debate that. Complaining is based on how you want to look at it. Some people may in fact be contemplating and not complaining and hence growing a great deal. As for schools, enlightenment comes in so many forms, Academic being the lesser of them. However if you don't feel like debating it, I can drop it.

Meghan2007: Your very depressed person with a great deal of emotional problems. From the looks of it you require constant affirmation and a need to compare. You should work on these things. I myself don't need to compete with you, I'm a very happy person and a very realistic one. I enjoy stating how the world is and I do it quite well. I'm currently the oldest of 4 children and have only one living parent. I work part time while going to school to compensate for my father being dead and supporting my family. However it would appear I didn't feel the need to mention that because I don't need to confirm my worth. My family is upper lower-class and can hardly pay for insurance so go feel sorry for yourself elsewhere. I've looked out the window and am well aware of what I got and what the world doesn't.

Cheers.

Edit: Also, I am sorry if I was to serious SKHaragan I took it as a sort of attack on my part.

SKHargan · 04-22-2004, 02:13 PM

Fides Custos - I'd love to do some philosophy with you, but what I'm saying is that wasn't the intent of my post. We can start another thread to debate whatever you like and I'll gladly engage you. You need to recall that I said "My post was not directed towards you in particular". Even so, your original post does come across as somewhat complaining, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding contemplation as complaining. You claim that you do not complain, and that may be true. Even so, it's easy to interpret your post as just that.

My thoughts.

-Shawn

gabriella · 04-22-2004, 02:38 PM

Wow.

I really didn't mean to sound so negative and whiny and complainy.

I'm really a nice, sweet little girl

Fides Custos · 04-22-2004, 03:36 PM

Well, it 100% just a revision of the last month of my life. Call it whatever you want. However everything that is there is true and this thread is about the last week which I extended into a month.

So if you want to call it complaining or whining than you have to realize that my life is a giant complaint seeing as how all that is just straight out of my daily occurances.

*Shrug* Never before have I lived a complaint, yet today it is so!

As for that Philosophy thread. Go ahead and make one, we can have a nice long discussion and probably attract a couple other would be debaters. Only rule is, we will not use any Obnoxious forms of Relativism or discuss Nihilism because those just lead to insults and fighting.

gabriella · 04-22-2004, 03:47 PM

....what does Fides Custos mean?

Fides Custos · 04-22-2004, 04:09 PM

Fides Custos is latin for Faith Keeper or Faith Tender.

It has nothing to do with religion at all. It is a Faith in humanity and earth that it refers to. I could get really off subject with explanation but that would be extremely rude so I'm going to stop.

Meghan2007 · 04-22-2004, 05:00 PM

Thank you for your psych eval and your wonderful advice. : ) As for your second, third, and fourth sentences in your lovely statement to me; its embarrassing (for you) that you should so completely miss the satire of my response. The point was not to lament my poor pitiful life, but to show you how annoying and contemptuous it is when people (like you) do it. Even moreso when it becomes a melodramatic competition as to why you have it worst. So please, do keep your "enlightened" judgements and psychiatric diagnosi to yourself.

As for your personal pity story, to be honest, I'm not sure that I believe it. As dramatic as it is, you stated in your previous post, "I intend to go to some kind of college primarily for the sheer reason of pleasing my parents and so forth." Parents? Last time I checked thats a plural form of the word whereas you claim only to have one. Secondly you go into quite some detail about what you did during the week. Funny that there's no mention of the sweatshop labor you claim to do to support your poor widowed mother. As for this line, "I am going to be a CEO, drive a BMW and die with a fist full of cash. Smile for me, won't you?" You poor thing, having to grow up expected to make money enough to live comfortably and without being a burden to your family or society at large. Poverty stricken people, as you claim to be, would not view a corporate job as a bad thing. Poor people are willing to take any job you can get. A CEO position beats the hell out of garbage collection and street sweeping. So, sorry, deny it all you want, but I dont believe your Hollywood drama tale. I do however find it very entertaining that you found it necessary to affirm that you have the worst situation, hahaha you proved my point perfectly.

As for your last sentence, good for you. But the rest of your postings previous to this *do* only express self pity. Sorry, I forgot. You express some very melodramatic opinions that sounds supisciously like you copied them from friends. Or a book. Or a movie. (ex. the whole sequence on the pointlessness of Harvard. How typically middle class adolecent. Can anyone say Orange County?) As for self pity, things like "Smile for me" or the lamentation that you were suspended or the statement that someone unfairly thinks that you are "suffering" from moderate insanity-- well, despite your protestations, there's no other way to classify it other than as an extended indulgence in complaint. To be honest Fido, my original intent was not to attack you. I understand that sometimes it is necessary to vent when things get bad. But have the honesty to admit that you were complaining and defend it with the fact that everyone needs to release depressive feelings sometimes. Whether those feelings are justified or not, they are still valid because you feel them. Now please, get up from the computer, take control, and get a life. No one should be at a computer so frequently that it takes them less than half an hour to respond to the smallest statement on an obscure forum.

gabriella · 04-22-2004, 05:12 PM

...You're gonna feel like such an ass if it's true.

Fides Custos · 04-22-2004, 05:37 PM

I'm glad you actually read it, picking it apart and wasting your time proves that you care what I have to say. Wonderful, now let me correct you.

1. Yes correct your "Satire" as you call that sarcastic pile of carrion, was well noticed and you seemed to fail to realize that because mine was a "Satire" to compliment yours, I was mocking your little tantrum by replying with some simple sentences to address all of your banter.

2. Parents huh? Try living with two of them for the first eleven years of your life and having one die because he was a drunk for the better half of your life. You'll say it plural too. You'll say it plural for the rest of your life, but you wouldn't know so I think you should back off.

3. Hehe, that's right I did leave out my sweat-shop labor, why? Because I work a book-store jackass. It's several hours of sitting behind a register and not worth going into detail about. I said I worked to support my family, not that I slaved in some hell-hole in Columbia. Stop building up your case you nut job.

4. Why would a poor person mock being a CEO? Why? Because I watch the news (Yea I got a TV) and I know what corporate bullshit festers 24/7 in this country. I also happen to go to a school right next to "The Shores" a wealthy little community full of some of the worst people on earth.

5. You think I copy my phrases? Go ahead and try to find them quoted somewhere, I reply in about a half-hour because today I'm off work and loving this little chat. Everything I write is just off the top of my head what more could I need?

6. Smile for me won't you? Sorry, do you not like to smile? You should, it's healthy and good for you, happy people live better lives. You seem stressed, maybe you need to smile?

SKHargan · 04-22-2004, 06:36 PM

All right, take a minute to calm down. Deep breathing ...in...two....three...four...out...two...three... four...in...two....three...four...out...two...thre e...four...in...two....three...four...out...two... three...four...

Meghan, be careful you don't make this too personal. I love your wit and your creativity and your intelligence, but please take care, you're venturing into the realm of personal insults and that's never a good thing.

Fides Custos, you're already well within the realm of personal insults. Knock it off. I understand you may be pissed, and possibly justifiably so, at having your word doubted, but don't make this personal.

That said, I'm done.

-Shawn

Savien · 04-22-2004, 08:18 PM

SKhargan and Meghan

Im sorry that our posting misdirected you, because as Gabriella kindly points out in her first post, this is a bitching post. Nobody likes to bitch, but we all have to do it. Shit, my life is rather far from perfect, and I realize nothing will be handed to me on a plate. But please, do respect our teenage bitching, we do it out of frustration. If you despise bitching, feel free to not read our posts about it, I dont like tennis, so when I see it on TV, I change the channel, I do not sit and yell at tennis for being stupid.

That being said, you both have valid points that, if I was not in my bitchy state, I would reinforce with my own support.