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Old 06-02-2007, 04:15 PM   #1
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Start of the first chapter (1204 words, fantasy)

Switched the beginning scene around with the second one, so if you want to read it as it was originally intended. Skip to the second scene, read there and then the first scene. Hopefully if I'm correct though, it should work reading it in the new order.

Away from the dimly lit streets of Benerhival, hidden in the back alleys, a man stood with his back to the wall. Perfect, Ouryn thought. Concealed by the shadowy embrace of the cloak, the man’s features were not discernible, but everything else added up. His contact was known to be on time and always had an air of mystery about him. “Reliable as always, Radvor.”

Radvor looked up to the left, chill breath escaping from the pitch-black hollow of his hood. “I get paid to be reliable, Ouryn.”

“That you do,” Ouryn conceded. “Never have you let myself or my lord down.” He reached under his own cloak and untied a pouch from his belt. “Half now, the rest later.” He tossed the pouch to Radvor.

Radvor nodded, catching the pouch. “This job,” he said slowly lowering his head and in a low voice. “It will most likely be hard to accomplish. I’ll need a few days most likely.”

Radvor nodded, catching the pouch. “This job,” he said slowly lowering his head and in a low voice. “It will most likely be hard to accomplish. I’ll need a few days most likely.”

“You had to mention that. I’ll hate every moment of it being with the White Hoods.” He spat to the side of his feet. “I will be most displeased if others get to hear of this, Ouryn. I’ll never live it down.”

“Why, I’d never…”

“You would and you damn well know it,” he said quickly raising his head. “How is the old bastard that pays you to do his dirty work?”

“He is the same as ever. Grows ever more profitable off the ill fortunes of others,” he shrugged. “He never liked being called an old bastard.”

“Yet he isn’t here, Ouryn,” reminded Radvor.

“That he isn’t.” Pausing, he considered his next words for a moment. “You have a plan of how to pull the job off?”

“I do.” Radvor stopped leaning against the wall and turned to face him. “Though it is not fully clear yet.”

Ouryn nodded. He wasn’t entirely too happy however, upon hearing the response. Yet his thoughts trailed to the fact that on many occasions Radvor had pulled jobs off, without fault. He won’t fail us, he reminded himself for peace of mind. “I have no doubt you’ll pull the task off. Do not rush it, I’m sure my lord will be most displeased if you fail rather than take your time.”

“I really don’t care if your lord will be most displeased or not Ouryn, my own hide comes first. You know that.” He stopped, waiting for a moment before continuing. “I will however see to it that I don’t fail you. I’ll see to it that which you desire, is brought to your lordship at Blackbell. The object he desires is a large golden cross, which is highly treasured by the order of Gwyllis. Correct?”

Ouryn nodded. Lord Aucyn Earel had been explicit in the description of what he sought. He had also made one other important request that triggered in Ouryn’s thoughts. Discreteness and no shedding of blood. “You are to be as subtle as you can, without any violence if you can help it.”

Radvor stood silent, staring at him with the featureless hollow that comprised his face. “You and your lord needn’t treat me like I’m a fool. It goes without saying that I’ll be subtle. Yet I cannot help but wonder that the old bastard has gone soft?”

“If he has, I haven’t seen any sign of it.” Ouryn shrugged. “Lack of attention is always the best route. I imagine that is his thinking.”

“Perhaps, not that it matters. I can’t promise anything regarding that in case things go wrong but I will try. The White Hoods and the city guard will be after me, so it will indeed be difficult. Not to mention the trip to Blackbell.”

“You’ll pull it off, at least with minimal casualties.”

“I will,” answered Radvor though he seemed to be looking past Ouryn over his shoulder. “Guards are coming.”

Ouryn spoke as low as he could, as quickly as he could. “See you back at Blackbell then and good luck.”

Radvor nodded and moved back silently, melding into the shadows like a demon of the night as the guards approached behind Ouryn. Ouryn turned and faced the guards, giving his trousers a tug. “Can I help you?”

One guard was short, the other tall and both wore mail with a coif covering their heads. They carried shields and a torch, with a sword sheathed at their waist. The tall guard stepped forward. “You can. You can start with explaining why you’re down here?”

“Taking a piss. No laws against that, is there?”

The tall guard looked to his partner behind him. The tall guard’s partner didn’t offer any help or clue as to the correct action.

Ouryn saw that they were both green and young, he found it amusing. “I’ve got to do it somewhere, haven’t I? You both look as though you’ve never taken a piss down some shady back alley before.”

The tall guard turned at his words, eyeing him suspiciously. He moved the torch to his shield arm and kept his free hand rested on the sword’s hilt at his waist. “Stay clear of trouble,” he said after a long moment had passed before turning and leaving Ouryn to his own devices.

Bleeding guards. I thought they weren’t going to leave for a moment. He spat to the side and walked in the opposite direction of the guards.

****


Darrias’s thoughts were split and many, each one whirling through his mind. With his breath hot and laced with alcohol, he stared down into the bottom of the tankard. Grumbling with dismay, the bottom was devoid of ale. Across from him, sat a man he’d known for some time. Yet every time the man was near him, he’d watch leery eyed.

“Which whore will you be having tonight to warm your bed and keep you company Darrias?”

“None?” said Darrias with a sharp tone, looking at Ouryn with disdain. Ouryn was supposed to be the epitome of a knight. He wanted to make the fact known that he thought it was incredulous that Ouryn had been knighted in Xantor’s name, yet he thought better of it.

“Pity. You could have any whore you wanted here if you slipped them some of your prized gold coins, despite the state of you.”

“Since when have we been friends, Ouryn? Childhood?”

Ouryn shrugged. He raised the tankard to his lips and took a slow drink of the ale. His head was bald with a shiny patch in the middle, his clothes those of a man made rich from the ill fortunes of the common folk. In The Broken Stein, he was out of place yet Darrias knew no patron would harm him for fear of the sword he had sheathed at his waist. “I would like to think so.”

“We never were. How’s your lord in Blackbell? Must be missing you because you’re not there to hold his hand while he pisses.”

Ouryn didn’t look bothered by the insult. If he was, he didn’t show it. “Oh he has plenty of people to hold his hand, Darrias. Besides, I’m above the lambs that he grows rich off."

“Funny,” he said dryly. “I thought you were below them. Shows how one’s station and a lord’s favour can lift them above the masses, no?”

“Quite.” Ouryn smiled.

Darrias had always hated that smile, the undertone of arrogance hidden behind it. He knew however that he was hitting a sore spot. “What are you doing here anyway and you just happened to drop by here to annoy me?”

“Oh, I knew you’d be hanging around in this gutter of a place, like you have since your father died. So I thought I’d come here and catch up for old times sake. Other than that, I have some business to attend to for my lord. You know what his temper is like if an order is disobeyed.”

“His reputation precedes him yes,” responded Darrias with his light brown eyes carrying a dangerous edge. “Don’t talk of my father again Ouryn, you didn’t know him and you don’t know me either.”

“I see my welcome is running thin. Seems many people can’t tolerate my presence these days. Can’t say I care though, I’d piss on what you and others think of me Darrias. What matters is I’m rich and I enjoy life, unlike someone.” He let those last words linger, eyeing Darrias. “But I’ll spare you my presence if you’re so determined to not have the company of an old friend.”

“Good. Go back to Blackbell and that lord of yours as quickly as you can.”

“Of course,” smiled Ouryn standing. With a quick bow, he retrieved his grey cloak from the back of his chair and wrapped it around his body, before leaving.

Darrias watched him leave, pushing his way through the tavern patrons. He sighed once he had lost sight of Ouryn and wanted to kick himself. He wasn’t any the wiser as to why Ouryn had came into Benerhival and that fact stung. On the other hand, Ouryn was much too smart to divulge any information about why he was here. He hadn’t had the right mind set for dealing with him either, being taken by complete surprise at the visit. Damn him to the abyss, he cursed.

Staring blankly into the tankard again, he cursed the fact that there was no more drink left. Pulling himself up to his feet wearily, he searched for the stairs though it was hard finding anything with the bustle of the common room. Upon finding them, he groggily moved to them and placed his unsteady hand on the banister. Wooden steps creaked under his feet, ones that he used to fear he’d go through when he’d first started frequenting The Broken Stein. It was a far cry from the large estate he’d once called home.

At the top of the stairs, the hall was long and narrow. The grey stone walls also showed the neglect of the building, with cracks running down their width. Apart from the window at the end, the hallway was plain except for the burning torches holstered along both sides of the wall. His room was halfway down on the left.

He slid the key into the keyhole and turned it. The door had always been stiff to unlock. Upon finally managing to turn the key and open the door, he walked into the cold and damp room that was his home, closing the door behind him. At least it isn’t dark in here. It could be worse. He locked it and threw the keys onto the red covers of his bed.

He let his thoughts wander, sitting down on the bed with his head held in the palms of his hands. I probably make you disappointed in me father. I am not the man you were and not the one you wanted me to be. Instead I am but the opposite of the knight I was before you died, a pale reflection of what once was. I’m sorry father…

He removed the symbol of Xantor from around his neck and looked at it. The golden emblem of a shield with a sword etched on the front of it had always given him pride. Yet no more did it make him swell with pride. I do not deserve the title I was given in your name neither, Xantor. I’m sorry for not repaying the trust one of your followers paid me in dubbing me a knight.

Despite his feelings, he laid the symbol of Xantor on the table gently. He still treasured the symbol, even if he hated himself and the title of sir that he carried. He knew he would always treasure it. Sleep is what I need now.


Edit: My next goal isn't to post more now, but instead try to get anything I write up to the bar scene standard even if the story isn't interesting, without others working on it and hopefully, in the second draft max. Prefably first. The first scene is the very first draft, no edits or anything so I hope I got that good. Nearly all talk I know, but the tightening with description and adding more prose in etc. can come later. Also the now second scene, might just want the odd word changing to be consistent with what happened in the first scene, seeing as I switched it.

I'm not sure whether I'll write more on the first chapter or not, yet. If I do, i may or may not post it. I'd only post it if others want to read from now on, as I don't want to litter the forum with everything I write. It'll be quite a ways in before I show another chapter, depending on whether I want people's views or help. It won't be chapter 2 either, I promise.

So if you want to read it as the pieces were originally intended, just read the second scene first, it should fit together that way without any nessecary changes. I'll try to make them fit better in the new format and re-edit this post.

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Old 06-03-2007, 04:26 AM   #2
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Anything to nitpick?

Worst story you've ever read?

Best story you've read?

Or just nothing to find complaints with? (which I doubt)

Honestly anything will do. Be as brutal as you like and I'll do my best to rework changes into it here that's suggested. Will post the second scene if people want to read it, but I'll stop after the first chapter is done till I'm a ways in.


Its a rough version anyways, I tend to like to sort the chapters out after I've wrote them before going onto the next bit in an attempt to try and avoid a complete rewrite.
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Old 06-03-2007, 09:49 AM   #3
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Not bad. It is clear that you know where you are going with the story. You have a good style that is easy to read. One thing, I feel that you need to do a bit more scene setting if you are going use this as the start of your novel.

The conversation is fine. It is a good way to set up your characters. Maybe you could reveal a bit more in the opening conversation.

Overall it is good. Keep working on it.
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Thanks for your reply, Svalbard. The characters I have no backstory for or anything as of yet, so I made it up as I went. They were what I wanted to focus on most, trying to bring them to life via the conversation. The description and scene setting needs work, not one of my strength's currently I think. I'll try to improve on it and post it here.

Regarding the knowing where I'm going yet, I know the ending. I just don't know how to set it up to get there at the moment. So I'll take a stab at writing the next scene from Ouryn's point of view and take it from there.
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I might post the second scene once I've wrote it, depends I guess. I don't ask for a word to word critique but I do welcome your thoughts. That said, if you want to offer the critique then by all means do so. Thanks in advance for reading and commenting if you do.





Darrias’s thoughts were divided, each one whirling through his mind at an incredible rate. With his breath hot and laced with alcohol, he stared down into the bottom of the tankard. Grumbling with dismay, the bottom was licked dry of ale. Across from him, sat a man he’d known for a long time. Yet every time the man was near him, he’d watch leery eyed.

take care with imagery. once you have said 'divided' the reader sees two static objects side by side. you then go on to say 'whirling' which is not static. i would stop at 'divided' and lose the rest here. again, imagery. is he an ant eater (think)

“Which whore will you be having tonight then to warm your bed and keep you company Darrias?”

be careful that narrative doesn't sneak into your dialogue

“None?” said Darrias with a sharp tone, looking at Ouryn with disdain. Ouryn was supposed to be the epitome of a knight. He nearly snorted at the fact he’d been knighted in Xantor’s name.

this puts something i assume happened in the past, into the present. and even if it was right, why 'nearly'. be definite.

“Pity. You could have any whore you wanted here if you slipped them some of your prized gold coins. Whether they’re as ugly as sin or as beautiful as an angel my friend, despite the state of you.

lose this

“Since when have we been friends, Ouryn? Childhood?”

Ouryn shrugged slightly. He raised the tankard to his lips and took a slow draught of the ale. His head was bald with a shiny patch in the middle, his clothes those of a man made rich from the ill fortunes of the common folk beneath him. In The Broken Stein, he was out of place yet Darrias knew no patron would harm him for fear of the sword he had sheathed at his waist. “I would think so, didn’t we always use to toy with each other?”

lose this. be definite. 'he raised the tankard and drank the ale' keep it simple when you can. redundant. this doesn't feel like something someone would say

“No, how’s your lord in Blackbell? Must be missing you because you’re not there to hold his hand while he pisses.”

Ouryn didn’t seem bothered by the insult.
If he did, he didn’t show it. “Oh he has plenty of people to hold his hand, Darrias. Besides, I’m above the lambs that he grows rich off. You didn’t answer my question either.

be definite. this isn't necessary, but even if it was, you should know, you are writing it. lose this and replace with ellipses '...'


“Funny. I oddly thought you were below them. Shows how one’s station and a lord’s favour can lift them above the masses, no?” Darrias said dryly.

redundant. put this after 'funny' or 'them'

“Quite,” smiled Ouryn.

full stop. 'Ouryn smiled.

Darrias had always hated that arrogant smile, most of all the fact he was hard to gauge as to his feelings. Though on this occasion, he knew full well that he was hitting a sore spot. “I always remembered you being the bastard you are, treating me like some insect beneath your boot at our childhood anyways Ouryn. So no, I don’t think we’ve ever been friends. What are you doing here anyway and you just happened to drop by here to annoy me?”

bit wordy. redundant. 'treating me like an insect, when we were kids'

“Oh, I knew you’d be hanging around in this gutter of a place drinking your heart out into a drunken stupor as usual, like you have since your father died. So I thought I’d come here and catch up for old times sake. Other than that, I have some business to attend to for my lord. You know what his temper is like if an order is disobeyed.”

narrative dialogue. try imagining how they would really talk here. walk around the space you work and talk to yourself like a mad man. the neighbours will avoid you for weeks, but who cares.


“His reputation precedes him yes,” responded Darrias though his light brown eyes carried a dangerous edge to them. “Don’t talk of my father again Ouryn, you didn’t know him and you don’t know me either.”

why though. what are you comparing it to?

“I see I’m waring my welcome out. Seems many people can’t tolerate my presence these days. Can’t say I care though, I’d piss on what you and others think of me Darrias. What matters is I’m rich and I enjoy life, unlike someone.” He let those last words linger in the air, eyeing Darrias. “But I’ll spare you my presence if you’re so determined to not have the company of an old friend.”

“Good. Go back to Blackbell and that lord of yours as quickly as you can.”

“Of course,” smiled Ouryn standing. With a quick bow, he retrieved his grey cloak from his chair’s back and wrapped it around his body, before leaving.

Darrias watched him leave, pushing his way through the tavern patrons. He sighed once he had lost sight of Ouryn and wanted to kick himself. He wasn’t any the wiser as to why Ouryn had came into Benerhival and that fact stung. On the other hand, Ouryn was much too smart to divulge any information as to why he was here. He also knew that he didn’t have the mind set to try and pry some information away from Ouryn, with the ale taking effect. In all honesty though, he had been caught completely by surprise by the visit from Ouryn. Damn him to the abyss, he cursed.

who are you talking to?

Staring blankly into the tankard again, he cursed the fact that there was no more drink left. Pulling himself up to his feet wearily, he searched for the stairs though it was hard finding anything with the bustle of the common room. Upon finding them, he groggily moved to them and placed his unsteady hand on the banister. Wooden steps creaked under his feet, rotten with age and neglect. He used to fear he’d go through them when he’d first started frequenting The Broken Stein. It was a far cry from the large estate he’d once called home.

there is a lot of this sort of thing going on in your story. i'll tell you what it is. you are so intent on sounding as professional as possible that you can't let an opportunity to describe pass you by. mention wood and straight away it's rotten. you must learn to restrain that part of you and save it for those times when it is needed. the more you do it the less effective the scenes become. i know, because it's a habit i'm currently trying to break.

At the top of the stairs when he’d finally reached it, the hall was long and narrow. The grey stone walls also showed the neglect of the building, with cracks appearing down their width. Apart from the window at the end, the hallway was plain except for the burning torches holstered along both sides of the wall. His room was halfway down on the left.

redundant (see what i mean about wanting to put too much in?)

He slid the key into the keyhole, once he’d arrived at his room and turned it. The door was always stiff to unlock, so it took him several tries. Turning the handle, he walked into the cold and damp room that was his home, closing the door behind him. The room was small and all he needed for his lonely existence. At least it isn’t dark in here. It could be worse. He locked it and threw the keys onto the red covers of his bed.



There was a mirror on top of a small table by his bed. He walked over to it and studied the image he saw of himself. Seeing his umkempt long black hair, his face dirty and his overall dishevelled looks, he reflected on his existence. I probably make you dissapointed in me father. I am not the man you were and not the one you wanted me to be. Instead I am but the opposite of the knight I was before you died, a pale reflection of what once was. I hate my life and I’m sorry father…

He removed the symbol of Xantor from around his neck and looked at it. The golden emblem of a shield with a sword etched in front of it had always given him pride. Yet no more did it make him warm. I do not deserve the title I was given in your name neither, Xantor. I’m sorry for not repaying the trust one of your followers paid me in dubbing me a knight.

Despite his feelings, he laid the symbol of Xantor on the table gently. He still treasured the symbol, even if he hated himself and the title of sir that he carried. He knew he would always treasure it.
Sleep is what I need now.
you see, this is relevant detail.

it's there fella... just waiting to surface. just be really hard on yourself and don't be in too much of a hurry to fill those pages (because that is what is going on here) if it takes you an hour to write one sentence, then so be it! i see myself in you KEEP AT IT!
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Thanks for the reply Azmakna. Reading through the critique, I think some of the points that you raised were me trying to look at things from the perspective of the character, hence the not being definate part that comes across.

Basically what I meant to say, is he wanted to snort but didn't.

Hopefully that makes sense anyways, I'll work on it and get it up posted, so you can see it's not wasted.

Edit: The filling part, putting too much in is really a bit of a sore spot for me and I did try to actually avoid info dumps and lots of setting describing. I really need to work on getting things done so that the writing doesn't come across as the bare minimum, yet at the same time none of it is obviously padding.

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Thanks for the reply Azmakna. Reading through the critique, I think some of the points that you raised were me trying to look at things from the perspective of the character, hence the not being definate part that comes across.

Basically what I meant to say, is he wanted to snort but didn't.

Hopefully that makes sense anyways, I'll work on it and get it up posted, so you can see it's not wasted.

Edit: The filling part, putting too much in is really a bit of a sore spot for me and I did try to actually avoid info dumps and lots of setting describing. I really need to work on getting things done so that the writing doesn't come across as the bare minimum, yet at the same time none of it is obviously padding.
you have to go through that process otherwise you won't progress. resist the temptation to add it in again, because you feel as if your work is getting shorter. once you have done this for a while you will start to realise that you haven't really got much of a story. this is good! you will find yourself evaluating what you write more and thinking more deeply about what you write. avoid words like 'almost' 'as if' 'seemingly' they can nearly always be removed. when you write about someone doing something that is an everyday activity, like drinking or walking or talking, try to avoid overwriting and tell it as it is. of course there are times when it is relevant to add detail, but be hard on yourself here. adjectives are powerful words, but they rapidly lose their strength if they are overused. if i wrote:

'the tall soldier, walked slowly down the pebbled bathway and on reaching the crumbling door opened it gently." you might think that sounded reasonable, but what is relevent here:

'the soldier walked down the pathway and opened the door' but that sounds boring right? did he need to walk at all?:

'On reaching the Inn he opened the door' is that any better?

the point i'm making here is that unless there is anything in the journey from A to B that shows something new, then the journey is wasted.

'When he finally entered the Horseslayers Inn, Molly was there.'
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H'lo David.

I don't like it. (Note: not hate!) IMO it starts off too slow-- I'd rather you showed why he hates the title of 'sir'. I never did like characters who whined even to themselves. "Waaah, I hate myself, I hate the world, sorry Poppa, I'm gonna go bungee jump off a cliff with some silly string and win a Darwin award."

Now, if you showed me an action piece where it becomes evident he doesn't really care that much about himself--such as driving himself to the point of suicide in a minor skirmish--then I wouldn't mind because he'd have a reason for his depression. But a bar scene is just too typical of a guy thing, y'know?

About scene-setting. The amount of time the character is going to spend in that dinky little room should tell you how much you need to describe it. Right now it sounds like he's going to stay there a helluva long time. Heh.

And you don't need to describe everything. Well, almost everything. Since this is a fantasy story your readers are probably already familiar with shabby ghettos where the sun don't shine and the ale sucks.

The mirror examination is too cliche. "Oooh lookit that, I'm growing a goatee! Now I need some horns to headbutt with." (It's up there with extensive belly-button contemplation.)



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H'lo David.

I don't like it. (Note: not hate!) IMO it starts off too slow-- I'd rather you showed why he hates the title of 'sir'. I never did like characters who whined even to themselves. "Waaah, I hate myself, I hate the world, sorry Poppa, I'm gonna go bungee jump off a cliff with some silly string and win a Darwin award."

Now, if you showed me an action piece where it becomes evident he doesn't really care that much about himself--such as driving himself to the point of suicide in a minor skirmish--then I wouldn't mind because he'd have a reason for his depression. But a bar scene is just too typical of a guy thing, y'know?

About scene-setting. The amount of time the character is going to spend in that dinky little room should tell you how much you need to describe it. Right now it sounds like he's going to stay there a helluva long time. Heh.

And you don't need to describe everything. Well, almost everything. Since this is a fantasy story your readers are probably already familiar with shabby ghettos where the sun don't shine and the ale sucks.

The mirror examination is too cliche. "Oooh lookit that, I'm growing a goatee! Now I need some horns to headbutt with." (It's up there with extensive belly-button contemplation.)



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i know what you mean about the whole 'belly button' stuff, but you know, there is much to be said about the mirror, the sea and the belly button. as long as you don't overdo it, they are legitimate windows into the protagonist's head. ...er...oh yes (where is that star) *evil grin*
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:47 PM   #10
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Heya Milo, I did say anything yes and thanks for the critique.

I actually used the mirror description on purpose, trying to be a bit too clever I imagine. I read the complaints about it through the site and guess I wanted to experiment with it, by keeping it short and giving an excuse to say the thoughts. In hind-sight, I probably didn't make it work.


I mainly wanted to see if I could use it and have it work without using paragraphs of description through the useage of the mirror.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:52 PM   #11
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i know what you mean about the whole 'belly button' stuff, but you know, there is much to be said about the mirror, the sea and the belly button. as long as you don't overdo it, they are legitimate windows into the protagonist's head. ...er...oh yes (where is that star) *evil grin*
Yeah but...near the start of a story? You don't want too obvious a cliche in the beginning of a story. Most slush readers--Note: usually not editors, they're reserved for when a story shows potential--they only read about two pages. And they read on if it interests them. Which is very hard. Sigh. They've the attention span of an old man in his second childhood.

EDIT: David, use the mirror later. Preferrably much later. Lol.



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Heya Milo, I did say anything yes and thanks for the critique.

I actually used the mirror description on purpose, trying to be a bit too clever I imagine. I read the complaints about it through the site and guess I wanted to experiment with it, by keeping it short and giving an excuse to say the thoughts. In hind-sight, I probably didn't make it work.


I mainly wanted to see if I could use it and have it work without using paragraphs of description through the useage of the mirror.
try not to be obsessed with writing a good story at the moment. God i'm going to be pulled up for this: you are more interested in developing your style and learning to be consistant, right? well, i for one, only critique on that, because at the end of the day, i might not like the story, but i can appreciate the effort put into the words and presentation. once a story is as good as it can be, then i might say if i like the story. think about it, when you go to the library and pick a book out to read, what is it? chances are, it's fantasy. if someone gave you a love story you would say that you don't like the story. that doesn't mean that it is written badly. so concentrate on improving your overall writing technique.
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Right I'm ignoring this for now, will be back after I've worked on it which I'm going to do right now. You're correct Azmakna, that's what I'm concerned with right now. Though I do want to get things to fit also at the same, probably the main reason I stop and start.

Milo, at least I made you laugh!
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:07 PM   #14
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Right I'm ignoring this for now, will be back after I've worked on it which I'm going to do right now. You're correct Azmakna, that's what I'm concerned with right now. Though I do want to get things to fit also at the same, probably the main reason I stop and start.

Milo, at least I made you laugh!
look, even if you post three paragraphs, i will go through it, based on style. there are a lot of people on this forum that demand a story... ignore them. find what YOU are looking for
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:20 PM   #15
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look, even if you post three paragraphs, i will go through it, based on style. there are a lot of people on this forum that demand a story... ignore them. find what YOU are looking for
*Suspicious* Is that a potshot, Azmakna? Jut-browed-chest-thumping-lily-livered-club-toting-neantherdhal. Yep. I demand a story. But I guess you're right about the whole style and technique thing.

David: Lol. Guess it brought out my low sense of humor, huh? (If you're a gamer you should try Radiata Stories. Now there is a hilarious fantasy RPG. i.e. You don't 'examine' things, you kick the bees out of them. Really. From Square-Enix too!)



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