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05-30-2008, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by edropus
I'm not implying that this is what the above poster meant, but I can see the point in this respect:
What Hitler basically did was take a country in the midst of political stagnation and economic depravity and turn it into an enormous industrial powerhouse. Even before they started using slave labor from their conquered enemies, they were an extremely impressive industrial power. So just imagine if instead of making tanks, planes and V weapons with that industry, they'd made cars, washing machines and vacuum tubes. Imagine if all of the scientists who worked on weapon, tank and airplane design had concentrated on medicine and computers.
My point is that I agree with the above poster in that Hitler did a pretty impressive thing, which was take a country in the midst of squalor and without direction and turn it into the second (and, before the USA really got going, first) most powerful industrial entity in the world. Had that and their impressive science/cryptology research been geared towards positive goals, the above poster might be right.
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I think Neo's and your points are good contributions. If Hitler did that for a country when can we get someone to do that for a city called Detroit?  |
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05-31-2008, 12:07 AM
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Good or bad, Hitler gets a lot more credit and attention than he deserves. The real story is the autocratic nature of the German family in Hitlers time and how that, and only that, could have fostered his emergence and such blind following. Hitler didn't control the culture, he was created by it. He was "hired" by the people to restore the national (the families) dignity, at any expense.
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05-31-2008, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lester Burnham
Good or bad, Hitler gets a lot more credit and attention than he deserves. The real story is the autocratic nature of the German family in Hitlers time and how that, and only that, could have fostered his emergence and such blind following. Hitler didn't control the culture, he was created by it. He was "hired" by the people to restore the national (the families) dignity, at any expense.
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Nope. The same thing could be happening right now in your country and you wouldn't even realize it...probably even support it.
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05-31-2008, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Blood
Nope. The same thing could be happening right now in your country and you wouldn't even realize it...probably even support it.
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You have any more support for that statement? |
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05-31-2008, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lester Burnham
You have any more support for that statement?
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You didn't support your statement, why should I support mine?
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05-31-2008, 02:10 AM
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Sorry there is nothing genius about him. The guy was a fascist Dictator and a psychopath. He deserved to be tortured before his death. he was also a shithouse strategist.
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05-31-2008, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Zensati
Sorry there is nothing genius about him. The guy was a fascist Dictator and a psychopath. He deserved to be tortured before his death. he was also a shithouse strategist.
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Have you ever posted ANYTHING profound or meaningful or half-way intelligent, and without gutter language? Do you ever engage in stimulating discussion with anybody?
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05-31-2008, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NaCl
Ox - I am surprised to read such a narrow comment from you.
The underlying assumption in your statement is that those with handicaps are incapable of contributing to the evolution of society. I would argue the opposite...mediocrity is the bane of evolution. Average people who simply exist to breed, play and work at menial jobs contribute little or nothing to the evolution of our species. On the other hand, there is the severely handicapped Stephen Hawkins, a brilliant theoretical physicist who has made valuable contributions to the body of scientific knowledge. Who is more important to the evolution of mankind...Hawkins or the guy making hamburgers in a fast food restaurant, or the coffee-pouring "specialist" at Starbucks?
Here are more examples of people with limitations offering great value to society: Helen Keller (deaf, blind), Beethoven (deaf), Bach (blind), Albert Einstein (Aspergers Disease - autism), Henry Ford (dyslexic), Isaac Newton (epilepsy), Pythagoras (epilepsy), Winston Churchill (bipolar), Da Vinci (dyslexia and epilepsy)...the list is long. Would the world be better off without their contributions?
I feel the greatness of any society is measured by their compassion for the weakest among their members.
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thank you so much for writing this
i have a significant hearing deficit and wear hearing aids
you'd be amazed how many people IRL who look down on me because of it
*shrug*
they seem to think deafness equates to dumbness, people can be so fucking cruel
ps - hitler was a mad man !
Last edited by ash somers : 05-31-2008 at 03:02 AM.
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05-31-2008, 03:50 AM
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Never mind Hitler, we have a new genius!
This would make a nice print for a t-shirt.
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Last edited by Blood : 05-31-2008 at 03:59 AM.
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05-31-2008, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ash somers
i have a significant hearing deficit and wear hearing aids
you'd be amazed how many people IRL who look down on me because of it
*shrug*
they seem to think deafness equates to dumbness, people can be so fucking cruel
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See? I told you we were suited.
I had this feeling in my bones right from the start.
Me with my AS, and you wouldn't have to put up with my incoherent outbursts.
Bliss.
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05-31-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blood
You didn't support your statement, why should I support mine?
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O.K. Well, in that case, your wrong. |
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05-31-2008, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lester Burnham
O.K. Well, in that case, your wrong.
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Oh no. On a writer's forum too. How embarrassing for you.
Mr. Blood doesn't own wrong, does he? He doesn't have it in his pocket. He doesn't keep it in a jar on a shelf at home. The correct thing to say would have been you're. As in, " You are wrong". |
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05-31-2008, 11:38 AM
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Why the flame war already?
I'd have to change my opinion now to say Hitler was not a genius, but at the very least clever or lucky. He could have done good, even great things for Germany. He had amazing dedication to his tasks and ideas, had he had different ideas, the world would celebrate him as a brilliant leader.
BTW Blood, The picture is funny as hell. I've never seen him portrayed so amzingly heroic before. 
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05-31-2008, 06:26 PM
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Well, as far as Hitler being a terrible person, sure. Your point on natural selection is completely true, and people should look at their own nations before hating Hitler. US - Indian massacres, slavery, witch trials... etc.
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06-01-2008, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by The Backward OX
See? I told you we were suited.
I had this feeling in my bones right from the start.
Me with my AS, and you wouldn't have to put up with my incoherent outbursts.
Bliss.
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for some strange reason, i'm not so sure *frowns* |
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