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05-28-2008, 11:42 AM
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Obama is Assassination Bait
Obviously if he's elected with Hillary as his VP he'll be lucky to live through his first week. When she says she never quits, she means it.
I was disappointed when Colin Powell declined to run. One of the few decent possible choices in the last 20 years. The reason: his wife's fears that he would be the victim of assassination.
Now comes Obama. The black Kennedy, as some call him.
What are his chances of getting shot our of office? I hope he's REALLY careful about picking a VP
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05-28-2008, 05:43 PM
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Actually I was thinking the same thing. Too bad he can't elect Colin Powell as VP as he is a republican, but if he could they'd both probably be shot. I don't think that he'll pick Hillary though...but who he will pick I have no idea. Colin Powell is the only republican I'd ever vote for.
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05-28-2008, 05:58 PM
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I remember a Chris Rock routine: "Man if they had a white president and black VP, I couldn't WAIT to shoot the president. What's the worst that could happen? I'd be in prison with a bunch of black guys treating me like an idol the rest of my life?"
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05-28-2008, 07:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lin
Obviously if he's elected with Hillary as his VP he'll be lucky to live through his first week. When she says she never quits, she means it.
I was disappointed when Colin Powell declined to run. One of the few decent possible choices in the last 20 years. The reason: his wife's fears that he would be the victim of assassination.
Now comes Obama. The black Kennedy, as some call him.
What are his chances of getting shot our of office? I hope he's REALLY careful about picking a VP
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Yeah and Clinton pretty much said the same thing. Pisses me off how idiots claim to be upset over mentioning an assasination("trauma" of the nation, giant crock of shit and if it is all that dramatic don't try to use it to cover up the real problem) when the REAL issue is how she basically said he could be assassinated which is a horribly offensive and heartless wish. I didn't want Obama, but you'd have to be pretty damn nuts to say some something like that while trying to run for president. Basically they all suck though, not like it really matters who wins, but at least the other 2 haven't vocalized assassination hopes.
Last edited by Adjective Ocean : 05-29-2008 at 06:36 AM.
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05-29-2008, 03:12 AM
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Gore Vidal said recently: "He'll be shot, though, that's his problem. If Jack [Kennedy] knew he was going to be shot, a black boy must know it too."
I'm guessing there'll be a few out there who'll want to try.
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05-29-2008, 03:34 AM
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Colin Powell a decent enough guy? You must be joking! He's one of the real brains behind the whole Bush operation, and therefore by definition has real blood on his hands. He is at the very least, as Michael Moore would say an "Honorary Stupid White Man".
Obama is my choice for the next president, the best of a bad bunch. I don't believe he'll get himself shot though because in the end his policies are not radical or progressive enough to be of serious threat to anyone.
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05-29-2008, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JoannaMac
Obama is my choice for the next president, the best of a bad bunch. I don't believe he'll get himself shot though because in the end his policies are not radical or progressive enough to be of serious threat to anyone.
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If he gets himself shot it won't be because of policies, but because he's black. For some, that's enough.
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05-29-2008, 04:36 AM
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Yeah, I guess you're right, but I'm a bit of believer in the theory that JFK and Bobby were not assassinated by random people with a grudge, but by the powers that be who didn't like their policies. As long as the big bucks can keep making their big bucks, I'm not sure they care so much about the colour of the president.
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05-29-2008, 05:36 AM
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Any moment now I'm expecting the grassy knoll to pop up.
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05-29-2008, 05:42 AM
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I think Joanna is right, look at how they laud Condoleeza, they don't give a damn about your colour if you are loyal to wealth. JFK reneged on deals he had made with the Mafia is how I heard it. Nixon was certainly surprised when they went for him, that wasn't in the deal, he had let them get away with things.
I always remember a time when they said Gadafi had sent a hit squad to America to get Ford, then they showed pictures of the democratic president opening a new library building, he was surrounded by young men in suits with bulges under their arm while a line of helmeted, leather clad police held back a crowd 50 or 60 yards away. Cut to evil dictator Ghadafi returning from a conference in Morocco, driving into Tunis standing up in an open top mercedes with a single motorcycle in front and behind, reaching down to shake hands with the crowd who were running alongside cheering.
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05-29-2008, 05:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Backward OX
Any moment now I'm expecting the grassy knoll to pop up.
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Surely, being a knoll, it already has.
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05-29-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Olly Buckle
Surely, being a knoll, it already has.
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On the other hand, perhaps its surrounds wore away over eons and eventually only the harder knoll was left. Bit like Uluru.
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05-29-2008, 06:06 AM
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I think Joanna is right, look at how they laud Condoleeza, they don't give a damn about your colour if you are loyal to wealth. JFK reneged on deals he had made with the Mafia is how I heard it. Nixon was certainly surprised when they went for him, that wasn't in the deal, he had let them get away with things.
I always remember a time when they said Gadafi had sent a hit squad to America to get Ford, then they showed pictures of the democratic president opening a new library building, he was surrounded by young men in suits with bulges under their arm while a line of helmeted, leather clad police held back a crowd 50 or 60 yards away. Cut to evil dictator Ghadafi returning from a conference in Morocco, driving into Tunis standing up in an open top mercedes with a single motorcycle in front and behind, reaching down to shake hands with the crowd who were running alongside cheering.
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Didn't Hitler play this trick too? Maybe not the shaking hands but certainly the standing up in an open Mercedes.
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05-29-2008, 06:07 AM
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Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but arne't Mike C, JoannaMac and Ox not from the States? Sorry, but saying he'd get knocked off for being black alone is kind of silly as we've certainly had white presidents die in office (from white assasilants even).
If you are assassinated in office, it's because your security isn't doing its job. People get pised off about lots of things--color is only a fraction of those complaints, and for the vast majority of Americans, it's certainly not enough to kill someone.
I don't think he's assassination bait. Maybe because Lin's been in the South more than I have (only lived here a year) or because most of you aren't from here and get the notion we're all KKK radicals, you might think so. I can't say he won't be assassinated or that no one would try but I think that so many people want him in office to soothe racial tensions (or to soothe potential riots if he doesn't get elected)--Hell, if you say a bad word about the guy, you're branded a racist by somebody.
Personally, I think the man's a fad, but hopefully one that's a good choice because he's progressing so far up the field that I think we're doomed to have him (I don't like any of the candidates). Btw, Joanna, he's the most liberal senator in office by voting record. Very progressive (maybe not by your standards, but he is progressive).
He's also elitist, has no governing experience (which I prefer to a couple terms in the Senate). He changes his suit to fit the land (ie who is he and what he stands for to get the humble votes of working class whites) then blames Fox News when he can't get the votes in areas where the majority of people are white and/or see through that load of crap (after A) he says they cling to guns, hostility toward illegal aliens and religion as some great pathetic crutch instead of seeing those as legitmate civil rights and safety issues\, and B) doesn't bother courting that area).
I've never heard anyone say "Vote for so-and-so--He's white!" before. However, since this whole issue with Obama flew up, I've heard lots of people toss out allegations of racism for anyone who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color alone. I've heard lots of people say, "Vote for Obama--He's black!" almost like being black is some great fad.
I don't think he's right for the job. His speeches are hollow platitudes, however well rehearsed and pretty. I think he has a good temperament and excellent diplomatic skills... when his true elitist colors aren't shining thorugh in schmancy Californian company. I think he'll shoot himself in the foot with those offhanded nose-in-the-air comments. I think his knowledge of how the world works has been a wee bit tainted until now he doesn't see legitmate threats and issues objectively (none of the candidates do so I'm about to bury my head in the sand and hope I live through the next four years to see some possibly decent people running).
I think it's very interesting to note that Alan Keyes is black (very black) but because he's conservative and therefore not buying into the 'black' subculture, no one's gotten onto his train. He's run several times but no one gives him press so the voters never find out about him. It's not that Republicans wouldn't vote for him--we just never see him because he doesn't have the funds for sucking up to the press and traditional black leaders won't hop on the bandwagon unless he's liberal.
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05-29-2008, 06:08 AM
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Ok ok, I know, he was good at the "shaking hands" trick on his own.
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