Thread: Gay, straight, lesbian bisexual people!

Heh, no thanks. I'm just not attracted to men. I prefer women in every way.

Originally Posted by Kane

I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, and my belief is founded on the Bible, not the teachings of men. So, really, if you think I don't understand the Bible, please, explain to me where I have erred, and where you think you have succeeded in understanding the "meaning" of Christ's message.

If you follow Christ, don't you find it just a bit strange that he never spoke against homosexuality if he was so against it?

Don't you think that Jesus ever "dabbled"? I mean, he did come from that part of the world where the natural chain of things you insert your penis in goes: Man / Camel / Watermelon / Wife.

Originally Posted by wyf

ever heard of gaydar?? If a gay guy tries to hit on you maybe hes seen something inside you your trying too hard to keep hidden. what else have you got to be afraid of, it's not catching. being chatted up by a gay guy wont turn you queer!!

Point out where I said it will? Has someone you have zero interest in you ever tried hitting on you despite them knowing you aren't interested? it's on the same level of annoyance, I don't like it because I have zero interest and despite making that clear, they carry on. Twisting words does not an argument make sire.

And I don't know where people get this myth that if you're a homosexual male you are some kind of inner visionary and master of character judge. The difference lies in the fact that straight men usually don't bother or care to stress that ability.

Also, please make more of an argument than "You don't like it because you're afraid of being it". It's as ridiculous as me saying that in the pedophile thread.

Does this apply only if they already know that you're straight? If you brand them as morons even if they didn't know your sexual orientation that's pretty strange. I sure would be confused if I hit on a girl and she calls me an idiot because I didn't somehow see she was lesbian

I don't mind that they make the mistake, I mind that they carry on anyway(and they always carry on with something like "you don't know if you like it or not until you've tried it"). It's funny that while I did say this in my original statement, no one seems to have noticed it.

@Nicco, where did I say I'm afraid of it again? I said I get pissed off when gay people come and hit on me despite knowing I'm straight. It's on par with women who know I'm not interested in them hitting on me, it's annoying and an immediate "you're an idiot" label. Also, Ad hominem.

Originally Posted by Nicco

If you follow Christ, don't you find it just a bit strange that he never spoke against homosexuality if he was so against it?

No, not really. You see, the Law of Moses prohibited homosexuality, by penalty of death. I don't think homosexuality was a common sin among the Jews of Jesus's time. Of the Law, Jesus said that he did not come to destroy it, but to fulfill it.

Though Jesus never said homosexuality is wrong directly, he made it undeniably clear that the only acceptable form of sexual activity is between a husband and wife.

Paul mentioned homosexuality as well, among the sins of the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Remember that Paul was met on the road to Damascus by Christ, and thus became his apostle. If you reject the teachings of Paul, you are rejecting the authority of Christ.

The important thing to remember about Jesus's ministry was that though He offered forgiveness from sins, he said over and over again that it was necessary to REPENT from those sins first. That is, to turn away from them, to stop doing it. His desire for us was to stop living in our sins and to follow Him, not for us to figure out ways that we could still live in the flesh while being a Christian.

If Mosaic Law forbade homosexuality, and Paul mentioned it as one of the sins of the unrighteous, the question should be, "Did Jesus ever say homosexuality was all right?" rather than looking to see if he condemned it.

Originally Posted by Faustling

This reminds me of something I've been curious about for a while. As a straight guy I can assume that most women could potentially be interested in me or any other man.

But how does gay people do it? I mean, if you're at a gay club it should be pretty easy but what about other times? Do gay people really possess the legendary gaydar? Do they only hit on people they've heard is gay? Do they ask before they start hitting on someone? Do they pray to Gnosha, the Great God of Gayness, to make their target gay? Or what?
This question especially applies to homosexuals in small, homophobic communities where it might be a bit dangerous to ask around or go to a gay bar.

Faustling, this made me laugh out loud!

Gay people don't hit on every gay person they meet--there is the initial attraction factor--ready?? Just like straight people! =D>

And although there is some truth to the "gaydar", its not like x-ray vision, unless the man across the room is in a pink polo, well-pressed khaki's, with hand-shined, leather shoes and a professional manicure, I don't think it's always that obvious. It's usually subtle clues like a prolonged stare or a touch on the arm. Just like straight people!

Do you assume every woman in a bar is straight? Because that's not always the case.

I always enjoy your input Faustling and I'm really not picking on you. It just tickled my funny bone to read your post.

My brother and I used to scope bars for men together. We'd take bets on which men were straight/gay. Sometimes he was right, sometimes I was. Unfortunately for me, the odds of a dropdead gorgeous guy being straight were not very high.

Ladies and gentleman: If you'd like to discuss the Law of Moses, please start another thread to do it. It's disrespectful to the original poster to talk about it here.

Originally Posted by Mystery

@Nicco, where did I say I'm afraid of it again? I said I get pissed off when gay people come and hit on me despite knowing I'm straight. It's on par with women who know I'm not interested in them hitting on me, it's annoying and an immediate "you're an idiot" label. Also, Ad hominem.

I can see why so many women and gay men would throw themselves at you. You just emanate charm.

Originally Posted by Non Serviam

Ladies and gentleman: If you'd like to discuss the Law of Moses, please start another thread to do it. It's disrespectful to the original poster to talk about it here.

Why is it disrespectful to talk about it here? The OP is the one who pressed when I said I'd rather not make a debate of the issue. Like it or not, this is a debate forum. This thread could have easily gone in the lounge, but it was put here, for whatever reason.

Originally Posted by Nicco

I can see why so many women and gay men would throw themselves at you. You just emanate charm.

Yet again, point out where I stated that.

I'm sorry, you won't find an argument with insult sire.

Mystery,

You've certainly given the impression that even if you say "no", they don't stop coming:

I don't like it because I have zero interest and despite making that clear, they carry on...

I don't mind that they make the mistake, I mind that they carry on anyway(and they always carry on with something like "you don't know if you like it or not until you've tried it").

I get pissed off when gay people come and hit on me despite knowing I'm straight. It's on par with women who know I'm not interested in them hitting on me...

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

And although there is some truth to the "gaydar", its not like x-ray vision, unless the man across the room is in a pink polo, well-pressed khaki's, with hand-shined, leather shoes and a professional manicure, I don't think it's always that obvious. It's usually subtle clues like a prolonged stare or a touch on the arm. Just like straight people!

I'm so glad that I'm not gay, I really suck at picking up subtle things like that. While it makes it hard enough to hit on girls I wouldn't even dare to try hitting on a guy if I were gay.

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

Do you assume every woman in a bar is straight? Because that's not always the case.

No, which is why I said "most women", not "all women". If nothing else, the girls who hits on my girlfriend confirms it. If I were to estimate the percentage of women who might actually be interested in me personally we're talking a smaller amount. If fact, if Pearce have lots of guys chasing after him as he said earlier, he's the one choosing from the majority, not me.

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

I always enjoy your input Faustling and I'm really not picking on you. It just tickled my funny bone to read your post.

No problem, large parts of it was meant to tickle people's funny bones (am I the only one who keep misinterpreting that expression?).

Originally Posted by Kane

Paul mentioned homosexuality as well, among the sins of the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Remember that Paul was met on the road to Damascus by Christ, and thus became his apostle. If you reject the teachings of Paul, you are rejecting the authority of Christ.

Along with gay people he also mentions alcoholics, does that mean they don't get to go to Heaven either?

Originally Posted by Kane

The important thing to remember about Jesus's ministry was that though He offered forgiveness from sins, he said over and over again that it was necessary to REPENT from those sins first. That is, to turn away from them, to stop doing it. His desire for us was to stop living in our sins and to follow Him, not for us to figure out ways that we could still live in the flesh while being a Christian.

That's the part I like about God, "Do what I say and I won't send you to everlasting torture". Great guy.

Originally Posted by Non Serviam

Ladies and gentleman: If you'd like to discuss the Law of Moses, please start another thread to do it. It's disrespectful to the original poster to talk about it here.

Aww, we're not allowed to derail debate threads anymore? Where's the fun in that?

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

Mystery,

You've certainly given the impression that even if you say "no", they don't stop coming:

Yeah, and where did I say that I'm stormed by oodles of gay men and straight exotic models? I didn't.

I'm talking about 3-4 times where I've been hanging out at a college party or something and someone who's bi or homosexual hits on me, gets rejected, and just keeps trying with lame arguments. I never implied that I'm some kind of metro sexual magnet.

Originally Posted by Nicco

This is just like that movie Latter Days...but only different. lol Anyway, you should see it if you haven't yet.

I have seen it, actually a friend, of a friend, of a friend knew the author! Or something, like that.

Originally Posted by Faustling

This reminds me of something I've been curious about for a while. As a straight guy I can assume that most women could potentially be interested in me or any other man. But how does gay people do it? I mean, if you're at a gay club it should be pretty easy but what about other times? Do gay people really possess the legendary gaydar? Do they only hit on people they've heard is gay? Do they ask before they start hitting on someone? Do they pray to Gnosha, the Great God of Gayness, to make their target gay? Or what?

Originally Posted by Faustling

This question especially applies to homosexuals in small, homophobic communities where it might be a bit dangerous to ask around or go to a gay bar.

My gaydar has been off a few times, that was years ago, both of us concerned were a bit embarrassed it was before I came out, I was working with a guy that I was 96% sure he was gay. He was not; he ended up being one of my best platonic friends I have ever had.

Some of my friends are true chasers in the since that they do chase straight men, like a man chases a beautiful woman. From what I have seen it is not the best way to hook up with someone, it can be dangerous.

When I hear some of the stories that have not gone so well, broken noses, jaws, black eyes…yet these guys will go back out and do it again. It does not seem like the way I want to meet someone. Taking chances like that…

So I have done the bar scene, the park, gyms, coffee shops, the internet… I myself want to know that the person I am meeting has a desire to be with me. I have made it a rule in my life to know my targeted love interest is gay.

Originally Posted by Kane

Why do you think you have a better understanding of the true meaning of the Bible, and the message of Jesus, than I do?

Originally Posted by Kane

You were right before, I have been respectful. So, I would caution you against the "people like Kane" approach. My understanding of the Bible comes from reading the Bible. Most of the people who used religious convictions to support slavery, segregation, imposed restrictions upon women's rights, did so, not because of an understanding of scripture, but because they let themselves be led by their pastors and community leaders who may have used small parts of scripture to justify their arguments.

If you do a little research, you will find that it was people who really believed in God, who studied the Bible, who took from the Bible the understanding of God's love, that were instrumental in the ending of these things. It was largely Christians who fought so strongly against slavery and the subjugation of women, and not people who simply used parts of Christianity to support their beliefs.

I would still like you to explain why you think you understand the message of the Bible better than I do. You see, I read the Bible quite a bit, not as part of a large group, but on my own. I do not believe in religion, and no denomination of Christianity holds any sway over me. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, and my belief is founded on the Bible, not the teachings of men. So, really, if you think I don't understand the Bible, please, explain to me where I have erred, and where you think you have succeeded in understanding the "meaning" of Christ's message.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believes in him should not parish, but have everlasting life.- john 3:16

Did he only mean that for Straight People? I think not….lots of gay people will be in heaven.

Jesus was love his message was love, his whole message was love one another, if this world only followed the words spoken by Jesus….We would not have hunger, murdering, we would take care of each other, by respecting one another. You are free to twist it around any way you want to; it is certainly your choice….But the Christ I believe in loves all….

Originally Posted by Pete_C

It's odd, because I get the feeling that Kane is secretly crying out for a Gay adventure. He'd hate himself in the morning, however.

Well I am sure of that!

Originally Posted by Nicco

In my experience, straight guys most concerned about being hit on look like this

Originally Posted by Nicco

Oh yeah, break me off a piece.

NO, No, you can have my share that’s ok, really Nicco…I won’t tell Allen

Originally Posted by Kane

No, not really. You see, the Law of Moses prohibited homosexuality, by penalty of death. I don't think homosexuality was a common sin among the Jews of Jesus's time. Of the Law, Jesus said that he did not come to destroy it, but to fulfill it.

Though Jesus never said homosexuality is wrong directly, he made it undeniably clear that the only acceptable form of sexual activity is between a husband and wife.

Paul mentioned homosexuality as well, among the sins of the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Remember that Paul was met on the road to Damascus by Christ, and thus became his apostle. If you reject the teachings of Paul, you are rejecting the authority of Christ.

The important thing to remember about Jesus's ministry was that though He offered forgiveness from sins, he said over and over again that it was necessary to REPENT from those sins first. That is, to turn away from them, to stop doing it. His desire for us was to stop living in our sins and to follow Him, not for us to figure out ways that we could still live in the flesh while being a Christian.

If Mosaic Law forbade homosexuality, and Paul mentioned it as one of the sins of the unrighteous, the question should be, "Did Jesus ever say homosexuality was all right?" rather than looking to see if he condemned it.

Paul was of a traditional Jewish background--so fervent in Judaism that he actually supported the persecution Christians for a time (as you know, I'm sure). He did not spend years learning from Jesus. It is interesting that none of those who spent years with Christ spoke against homosexuality in the bible. You would assume, seeing as how they were surrounded by Canaanites and likely preached to them (Canaanites practiced ritual gay sex) the opportunity would have easily presented itself. Certainly if it were something that would send one to hell, it would be an extremely important thing to mention at least once. Besides, there are teachings by Christ that contradict Mosaic law, so that in itself would suggest that Mosaic Law is flawed. Either that or God is indecisive and decided to change his mind between the OT and the NT. I'm not telling you to think the way I do, but it's a good idea to really take the time to consider other perspectives even if in the end you don't agree with them.