Thread: Gay, straight, lesbian bisexual people!

I personally am not uncomfortable around gay people. I have many gay friends-male and female. My bf jokes w/me everywhere we go, b/c if there's a lesbian in the room, she will find me--unfortunatley I'm not interested in women, so it does me no good. Wishing I could be a magnet for Matthew McConaughy look-a-likes, but not my luck.

I think it must be difficult to be gay or bi in a straight society. I have a brother who is gay and I know the struggles that he's gone through to live an honest, open life.

Originally Posted by wyf

Kane im sorry but i think your post is so wrong, but to attack it would be to attack your religion so i'll just agree to disagree.

wyf, I love you. You took the words right out of my mouth, you dirty girl

Question no. 1: I can't really say most or not; some do, some don't. I am a fairly well connected and respected man in my community, involved in community affairs, and most people knew me when I was married to a woman, and their attitude didn't really change after I started dating men.

Question No. 2: I can only speak for myself, and the answer is no. There are a lot more straight people than gay or bi people, and that is cool with me; to my mind a person's sexuality is only relevant if I want to date them or introduce them to someone else who may be romantically interested in them, although I make a greater effort to include gay people in my social circle, because living in Montana is more difficult and isolating for some gay people than for me.

I will say that Kane has been very respectful in his posts, while firmly stating his opinion, and I appreciate the courtesies. However, I am also a Christian and I disagree with his position 100%. My theological answer to people like him is that I am no less a Christian than he is; rather I am a better one, for I have a better understanding of the true meaning of the bible and the message of Jesus, and I love him, although I regret his misguided misinterpretation of scripture. Uncomfortable as it may be to say it, if we were debating 50 years ago, people like Kane would be strenuously arguing against interracial marriage; 100 years ago, against women's suffrage, and 150 years ago, in favor of slavery, in all cases relying on biblical text. Because People like Kane were making those arguments. Not isolated individuals, but large groups of ordinary people with firm religious convictions.

I am firmly and sincerely convinced I understand the message of the Bible better than people like Kane do. While Kane may believe this is disrespectful to his beliefs, it is not, it is a mirror image of his own faith. It is certainly not disrespectful of religion; it is a religious understanding.

I love God, Kane, and I love you. But you are wrong. Pax Vobiscum.

Why is it the sexual orientation threads actually rile up the little anti-Christ in me?
Alanmt, you are just as bad as kane, stop telling people what they know and what they are capable of.

Personally, my reaction to homosexuals, bisexuals and lesbians around me is basically a reaction not to them, but to how they act. I'm not homosexual, if a homosexual tries to hit on me or any such thing they immediately brand themselves as a fucking moron to me, I didn't come and push the straight agenda on you even thought it would have been a thousand times easier, don't push your shit on me and tell me I don't know what I want.

Same with bisexuals, as long as they're cool about it and don't swing my way I'm fine, lesbians even, I'll rile up and fight for straight women against feminazi retards, but if two women love each other it's all good.

The problem with most people who have an unusual sexual orientation is that their whole identity is build off it, and that makes them bland and annoying, most of the time.

Originally Posted by Kane

To identify yourself by your sexual preference is a level of living in the flesh that is rivaled by little else.

Thats not right. if homosexuality hadnt been condemned for so many years, if it were no more frowned on or remarkable than being straight, i doubt if gay ppl would identify themselves in that way, it would just be normal. think about it like this - if general opinion was that writers were perverted scum of the earth spawn of satan, how many of us would wear tshirts saying "I'M A WRITER AND PROUD OF IT" and demonstrate for the right to write?

Kane I got to say that though i disagree with you i admire that though your religion is at odds with homosexuality your not hostile or condemning, thats the mark of a man.

RR, you're a complete sweetie. if you come to the UK you should visit my home town, its the gay capital of the uk and we have a great pride march everey year. its quite common to see male/male and female/female couples walking the streets hand in hand, and even smooching when the need takes them, just like so called normal ppl.

Originally Posted by Mystery

I'm not homosexual, if a homosexual tries to hit on me or any such thing they immediately brand themselves as a fucking moron to me,

ever heard of gaydar?? If a gay guy tries to hit on you maybe hes seen something inside you your trying too hard to keep hidden. what else have you got to be afraid of, it's not catching. being chatted up by a gay guy wont turn you queer!!

Originally Posted by R.R.Pearce

Thank you! I think I like your way of thinking!

My way of thinking, in this matter as well as in others, is basically that other people's business is their business as long as it doesn't effect me. I must say that if a gay guy would hit on me (as far as I know, no one has) I would react differently then if a girl I wasn't interested in did the same, probably because of the unfamiliarity of the situation. I don't know for sure, but I like to think that I would be flattered (I'm not the most attractive in the bunch) and respectfully explain that I'm not really into guys romantically.

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

My bf jokes w/me everywhere we go, b/c if there's a lesbian in the room, she will find me--unfortunatley I'm not interested in women, so it does me no good.

Same thing happens to my girlfriend all the time, if we got out women hit a lot more on her then on me. Not exactly good for my confidence but pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Mystery

I'm not homosexual, if a homosexual tries to hit on me or any such thing they immediately brand themselves as a fucking moron to me, I didn't come and push the straight agenda on you even thought it would have been a thousand times easier, don't push your shit on me and tell me I don't know what I want.

Does this apply only if they already know that you're straight? If you brand them as morons even if they didn't know your sexual orientation that's pretty strange. I sure would be confused if I hit on a girl and she calls me an idiot because I didn't somehow see she was lesbian.

Originally Posted by wyf

Thats not right. if homosexuality hadnt been condemned for so many years, if it were no more frowned on or remarkable than being straight, i doubt if gay ppl would identify themselves in that way, it would just be normal. think about it like this - if general opinion was that writers were perverted scum of the earth spawn of satan, how many of us would wear tshirts saying "I'M A WRITER AND PROUD OF IT" and demonstrate for the right to write?

Kane I got to say that though i disagree with you i admire that though your religion is at odds with homosexuality your not hostile or condemning, thats the mark of a man.

RR, you're a complete sweetie. if you come to the UK you should visit my home town, its the gay capital of the uk and we have a great pride march everey year. its quite common to see male/male and female/female couples walking the streets hand in hand, and even smooching when the need takes them, just like so called normal ppl.

very well said!

Originally Posted by Pete_C

So can we take it that's a big God-fearing NO to trying out Gay Sex once in your life?

Yeah, I doubt I will have gay sex. Not really something I feel I'm missing out on. Though, I was a teenager once, and funny things happen sometimes when you're a teenager.

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

I personally am not uncomfortable around gay people. I have many gay friends-male and female. My bf jokes w/me everywhere we go, b/c if there's a lesbian in the room, she will find me--unfortunatley I'm not interested in women, so it does me no good. Wishing I could be a magnet for Matthew McConaughy look-a-likes, but not my luck.

Originally Posted by smilinghelps

I think it must be difficult to be gay or bi in a straight society. I have a brother who is gay and I know the struggles that he's gone through to live an honest, open life.

wyf, I love you. You took the words right out of my mouth, you dirty girl

Well that should be a compliment that you are so gorgeous that the lesbian’s hit on you, seriously speaking I am sure that your gay friends love you.

Originally Posted by alanmt

Question no. 1: I can't really say most or not; some do, some don't. I am a fairly well connected and respected man in my community, involved in community affairs, and most people knew me when I was married to a woman, and their attitude didn't really change after I started dating men.

Originally Posted by alanmt

Well you are a lucky man, I am/was LDS, and I had to start all over again after I came out, and divorced my wife. (she forgives me) I lost my Job with the company I was working for, because the owner was comrade’s with my bishop.

Question No. 2: I can only speak for myself, and the answer is no. There are a lot more straight people than gay or bi people, and that is cool with me; to my mind a person's sexuality is only relevant if I want to date them or introduce them to someone else who may be romantically interested in them, although I make a greater effort to include gay people in my social circle, because living in Montana is more difficult and isolating for some gay people than for me.

Again you are a lucky man, I am glad that you have not went through what others have. Montana is a lot like Utah in that respect.

I will say that Kane has been very respectful in his posts, while firmly stating his opinion, and I appreciate the courtesies. However, I am also a Christian and I disagree with his position 100%. My theological answer to people like him is that I am no less a Christian than he is; rather I am a better one, for I have a better understanding of the true meaning of the bible and the message of Jesus, and I love him, although I regret his misguided misinterpretation of scripture. Uncomfortable as it may be to say it, if we were debating 50 years ago, people like Kane would be strenuously arguing against interracial marriage; 100 years ago, against women's suffrage, and 150 years ago, in favor of slavery, in all cases relying on biblical text. Because People like Kane were making those arguments. Not isolated individuals, but large groups of ordinary people with firm religious convictions.

Yes I respect Kane’s convictions, does not mean I agree, I have some family members that have the same ones, I still welcome the ones that still have me in their circle with open arms, and I leave those alone that want nothing more to do with me. It is there loss not mine!

I am firmly and sincerely convinced I understand the message of the Bible better than people like Kane do. While Kane may believe this is disrespectful to his beliefs, it is not, it is a mirror image of his own faith. It is certainly not disrespectful of religion; it is a religious understanding.

The way I see it Christ’s message was about love, I also am a believer in God. As I have stated religion is another issue!

I love God, Kane, and I love you. But you are wrong. Pax Vobiscum.

Allen you are one in a million!

Ray

Originally Posted by Mystery

Why is it the sexual orientation threads actually rile up the little anti-Christ in me?

Originally Posted by Mystery

Why? I have not said you have to be Gay! Have I?

Alanmt, you are just as bad as kane, stop telling people what they know and what they are capable of.

I really do not see that he was doing that, he has a right to his opinion’s the same as you have and Kane, as well as me!

Personally, my reaction to homosexuals, bisexuals and lesbians around me is basically a reaction not to them, but to how they act. I'm not homosexual, if a homosexual tries to hit on me or any such thing they immediately brand themselves as a fucking moron to me, I didn't come and push the straight agenda on you even thought it would have been a thousand times easier, don't push your shit on me and tell me I don't know what I want.

I don’t want to try and make you gay, I am sure you don’t want to make me straight. Open conversation is not a bad thing. I don’t want to hit on you, contrary to what you might think; I am not looking to bed every man I see. I do not go to a straight bar to hook up. I kind of like being with confident gay men, less baggage to deal with.

Same with bisexuals, as long as they're cool about it and don't swing my way I'm fine, lesbians even, I'll rile up and fight for straight women against feminazi retards, but if two women love each other it's all good.

I would like to see you fight some of those feminazi as you so said; I hope you ate your weaties. On the same side of the coin I could view your straight sex as unusual to me but then I am gay.

The problem with most people who have an unusual sexual orientation is that their whole identity is build off it, and that makes them bland and annoying, most of the time.

Of course it is my Identity, I have had to fight for the right to just live and be gay, I was not straight, living in a gay world. I am gay living in a straight world.

Best wishes,
Ray

Originally Posted by wyf

Thats not right. if homosexuality hadnt been condemned for so many years, if it were no more frowned on or remarkable than being straight, i doubt if gay ppl would identify themselves in that way, it would just be normal. think about it like this - if general opinion was that writers were perverted scum of the earth spawn of satan, how many of us would wear tshirts saying "I'M A WRITER AND PROUD OF IT" and demonstrate for the right to write?

Originally Posted by wyf

Kane I got to say that though i disagree with you i admire that though your religion is at odds with homosexuality your not hostile or condemning, thats the mark of a man.

RR, you're a complete sweetie. if you come to the UK you should visit my home town, its the gay capital of the uk and we have a great pride march everey year. its quite common to see male/male and female/female couples walking the streets hand in hand, and even smooching when the need takes them, just like so called normal ppl.

I love you wyf..I kind of agree why would I have wanted to join with a group of people that is not understood…Yes I like discrimination…LOL

Originally Posted by wyf

ever heard of gaydar?? If a gay guy tries to hit on you maybe hes seen something inside you your trying too hard to keep hidden. what else have you got to be afraid of, it's not catching. being chatted up by a gay guy wont turn you queer!!

Again wyf you have a way of looking at things, you are one of a kind!

Originally Posted by Faustling

My way of thinking, in this matter as well as in others, is basically that other people's business is their business as long as it doesn't effect me. I must say that if a gay guy would hit on me (as far as I know, no one has) I would react differently then if a girl I wasn't interested in did the same, probably because of the unfamiliarity of the situation. I don't know for sure, but I like to think that I would be flattered (I'm not the most attractive in the bunch) and respectfully explain that I'm not really into guys romantically.

Originally Posted by Faustling

If it were me chasing you and you said that to me, I would respect you and step away. I don’t have time to convert all the straight men to being gay, there would never be any sex gosh what fun would that be?

Same thing happens to my girlfriend all the time, if we got out women hit a lot more on her then on me. Not exactly good for my confidence but pretty funny.

I must say you have a great outlook you take life with a grain of salt.

Does this apply only if they already know that you're straight? If you brand them as morons even if they didn't know your sexual orientation that's pretty strange. I sure would be confused if I hit on a girl and she calls me an idiot because I didn't somehow see she was lesbian.

Well I think he means that we should all know, he is for ladies only! How dare we swing it his way…LOL don’t worry I have way to many men already that chase me…and I only have eyes for one man.

Originally Posted by Kane

Yeah, I doubt I will have gay sex. Not really something I feel I'm missing out on. Though, I was a teenager once, and funny things happen sometimes when you're a teenager.

I am just going to leave that alone! You have deeper issues then we can cover here... Besides Kane I do like you....(not in that way)

Best Wishes,

Ray

Originally Posted by Ray

Well you are a lucky man, I am/was LDS, and I had to start all over again after I came out, and divorced my wife. (she forgives me) I lost my Job with the company I was working for, because the owner was comrade’s with my bishop.

This is just like that movie Latter Days...but only different. lol Anyway, you should see it if you haven't yet.

Originally Posted by R.R.Pearce

Well I think he means that we should all know, he is for ladies only! How dare we swing it his way…LOL don’t worry I have way to many men already that chase me…and I only have eyes for one man.

This reminds me of something I've been curious about for a while. As a straight guy I can assume that most women could potentially be interested in me or any other man. But how does gay people do it? I mean, if you're at a gay club it should be pretty easy but what about other times? Do gay people really possess the legendary gaydar? Do they only hit on people they've heard is gay? Do they ask before they start hitting on someone? Do they pray to Gnosha, the Great God of Gayness, to make their target gay? Or what?
This question especially applies to homosexuals in small, homophobic communities where it might be a bit dangerous to ask around or go to a gay bar.

I will say that Kane has been very respectful in his posts, while firmly stating his opinion, and I appreciate the courtesies. However, I am also a Christian and I disagree with his position 100%. My theological answer to people like him is that I am no less a Christian than he is; rather I am a better one, for I have a better understanding of the true meaning of the bible and the message of Jesus, and I love him, although I regret his misguided misinterpretation of scripture.

Why do you think you have a better understanding of the true meaning of the Bible, and the message of Jesus, than I do?

Uncomfortable as it may be to say it, if we were debating 50 years ago, people like Kane would be strenuously arguing against interracial marriage; 100 years ago, against women's suffrage, and 150 years ago, in favor of slavery, in all cases relying on biblical text. Because People like Kane were making those arguments. Not isolated individuals, but large groups of ordinary people with firm religious convictions.

You were right before, I have been respectful. So, I would caution you against the "people like Kane" approach. My understanding of the Bible comes from reading the Bible. Most of the people who used religious convictions to support slavery, segregation, imposed restrictions upon women's rights, did so, not because of an understanding of scripture, but because they let themselves be led by their pastors and community leaders who may have used small parts of scripture to justify their arguments.

If you do a little research, you will find that it was people who really believed in God, who studied the Bible, who took from the Bible the understanding of God's love, that were instrumental in the ending of these things. It was largely Christians who fought so strongly against slavery and the subjugation of women, and not people who simply used parts of Christianity to support their beliefs.

I am firmly and sincerely convinced I understand the message of the Bible better than people like Kane do. While Kane may believe this is disrespectful to his beliefs, it is not, it is a mirror image of his own faith. It is certainly not disrespectful of religion; it is a religious understanding.

I would still like you to explain why you think you understand the message of the Bible better than I do. You see, I read the Bible quite a bit, not as part of a large group, but on my own. I do not believe in religion, and no denomination of Christianity holds any sway over me. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, and my belief is founded on the Bible, not the teachings of men. So, really, if you think I don't understand the Bible, please, explain to me where I have erred, and where you think you have succeeded in understanding the "meaning" of Christ's message.

Originally Posted by R.R.Pearce

I am just going to leave that alone! You have deeper issues then we can cover here... Besides Kane I do like you....(not in that way)

It's odd, because I get the feeling that Kane is secretly crying out for a Gay adventure. He'd hate himself in the morning, however.

Originally Posted by Mystery

if a homosexual tries to hit on me or any such thing they immediately brand themselves as a fucking moron to me,

In my experience, straight guys most concerned about being hit on look like this



Oh yeah, break me off a piece.