Thread: Has anyone here read 'The Secret' yet??

In other words: 'You can say all you want, it's bullshit, and I alone know what's right'.

Originally Posted by nereyda_333

What about the Inquisition or the way that natives americans were forced to convert to Christianism? Christians hands are also full of blood, I don´t know how you can forget that.

Why do you bring up war and then bring up something like this, which is not war, when I answer you?

First of all, there is no such thing as Christianism. It's called Christianity.

Secondly, the only Native Americans that were forced to convert to anything were those that the US government were assimilating into white culture. It had nothing to do with Christianity, and everything to do with breaking down the Native American culture. The reason they did this is because by removing the Native Americans from their culture they were eliminating resistance and a unified opposition from the Native Americans.

Also, keep in mind that one cannot be forced to convert to Christianity. To accept Christ's salvation is only possible if done from the heart. Doing it with a gun to one's head is completely useless.

The Spanish Inquisition was about power and control, not religion. It wasn't Christian, it was Catholic. If you don't know by now the history of the Catholic church, and how very different they are from Christ-based Christianity, you need to go learn, or you need to stop talking about Christianity. Catholicism has been an implementation of control since its inception and remains so to this day.

The Spanish Inquisition was a political manuevering. This is largely how Catholicism was used. If people didn't obey church laws, they could be imprisoned, killed, their lands and property could be forfeit, etc. There is much more to it, but this is not the place for it.

How many threads have to be derailed and ruined by ignorant people with proverbial crap just pouring out of their "mouths?" People like you need to just keep your mouth shut and learn. You have no place being in a debate, because you don't even have a basic understanding of what it is you're debating.

It's simply a psychological device: exude extreme confidence and extreme comfort with every circumstance coming your way, and the people around you will join you in driving circumstances towards positive outcomes.

It's certainly no secret.

The sheer stupidity of mass media makes me wince.

Originally Posted by Kane

Why do you bring up war and then bring up something like this, which is not war, when I answer you?

First of all, there is no such thing as Christianism. It's called Christianity.

Secondly, the only Native Americans that were forced to convert to anything were those that the US government were assimilating into white culture. It had nothing to do with Christianity, and everything to do with breaking down the Native American culture. The reason they did this is because by removing the Native Americans from their culture they were eliminating resistance and a unified opposition from the Native Americans.

Also, keep in mind that one cannot be forced to convert to Christianity. To accept Christ's salvation is only possible if done from the heart. Doing it with a gun to one's head is completely useless.

The Spanish Inquisition was about power and control, not religion. It wasn't Christian, it was Catholic. If you don't know by now the history of the Catholic church, and how very different they are from Christ-based Christianity, you need to go learn, or you need to stop talking about Christianity. Catholicism has been an implementation of control since its inception and remains so to this day.

The Spanish Inquisition was a political manuevering. This is largely how Catholicism was used. If people didn't obey church laws, they could be imprisoned, killed, their lands and property could be forfeit, etc. There is much more to it, but this is not the place for it.

How many threads have to be derailed and ruined by ignorant people with proverbial crap just pouring out of their "mouths?" People like you need to just keep your mouth shut and learn. You have no place being in a debate, because you don't even have a basic understanding of what it is you're debating.

Excuse me but, when did I bring up war? I only said that because you nearly blame Islam of all the problems in the world, I know some muslims and they´re not like that.
And the same way that not all Christians agree with the Catholic church, most muslims don´t go around dropping bombs in the name of Allah.
I know I can´t be as good debating as you, because English is not my first language, and because I don´t have as much knowledge about certain things as you do. But at least I´m an open minded person and I´m willing to learn, and I´m not going to shut my mouth just because an arrogant like you tells me to do it.

I read a book called 'Ask And It Is Given'. It say's essentially the same thing but is a much better book. This women who wrote the secret basically took a load of ideas from other people then crammed them all into one book. In the back she even has the names of the people she stole from.

My main concern with this book is that it doesn't address the problem of the incessant stream of thought. It encourages you to think more of pursuit of having the whole world if your thinking is in order. It is better to find inner peace and become free from your life suitation. You'll find that quite naturally through this you will attract more 'positive' experiences.

http://eckhart-tolle-forum.inner-gro...er=asc&start=0

Originally Posted by Intel

I read a book called 'Ask And It Is Given'. It say's essentially the same thing but is a much better book. This women who wrote the secret basically took a load of ideas from other people then crammed them all into one book. In the back she even has the names of the people she stole from.

My main concern with this book is that it doesn't address the problem of the incessant stream of thought. It encourages you to think more of pursuit of having the whole world if your thinking is in order. It is better to find inner peace and become free from your life suitation. You'll find that quite naturally through this you will attract more 'positive' experiences.

http://eckhart-tolle-forum.inner-gro...er=asc&start=0

Agreed.

The backlash on this book is tremendous, and justifiably so I believe.
It sets people up for frustration and failure and is selling impossibility.

Btw, I like your idea of finding inner peace, but why would one want to be free from their life situation via a false sense of inner peace about it? Shouldnt we always be looking at our lives and searching for areas of improvement?....I dont know, maybe Im not understanding your statement.

Has anyone here read 'The Secret' yet??

no... and i won't be!

I meant that if you found inner peace then you wouldn't depend on the world for your happiness. Everything in the world is constantly changing, what happens is the most unstable thing in the universe. Some people are so easily disturbed and upset by what happens in their life, always waiting for the next moment to bring them happiness. Yet if they found true inner peace what happens in the world won't matter all that much or disturb their inner state to the degree it used to.

Then you won't find yourself placing unreasonable demands on the universe:
Make me happy. Fulfill me. Tell me who I am. Last forever.
It would suprise you how many people cause themselves unneccasary suffering through placing these demands on the universe. The overwhelming majority of the earths population infact. It doesn't mean that you can't strive to improve your outer life, however this won't be a need, and whether you succeed in doing so or not won't matter as much. You are fulfilled in this very moment.

Originally Posted by Intel

I meant that if you found inner peace then you wouldn't depend on the world for your happiness. Everything in the world is constantly changing, what happens is the most unstable thing in the universe. Some people are so easily disturbed and upset by what happens in their life, always waiting for the next moment to bring them happiness. Yet if they found true inner peace what happens in the world won't matter all that much or disturb their inner state to the degree it used to.

Then you won't find yourself placing unreasonable demands on the universe:
Make me happy. Fulfill me. Tell me who I am. Last forever.
It would suprise you how many people cause themselves unneccasary suffering through placing these demands on the universe. The overwhelming majority of the earths population infact. It doesn't mean that you can't strive to improve your outer life, however this won't be a need, and whether you succeed in doing so or not won't matter as much. You are fulfilled in this very moment.

Thank you for clarifying Intel.
Very profound words as well.
I shall ponder them and figure out a way to weave them into my conciousness. (:

I used to believe stillness was the ultimate goal, in the way decribed by Yogis whereby one is not moved by events and has 'surpassed' fluctuations in emotion, happiness, sadness. I now believe that to be wrong however not completely so. The difference appears to be subtle but is fundamental. The principal error being that where there is a vacuum something can always fill the void very quickly. If I try to remove something completely from my mind, even if it never was really a problem, all of a sudden it becomes an issue. On the other hand it is correct since if you focus on what is temporal to bring you happiness the happiness or rather satisfaction that you gain can only be temporal.

Have I read the Secret? No.

Originally Posted by Cipher2

I used to believe stillness was the ultimate goal, in the way decribed by Yogis whereby one is not moved by events and has 'surpassed' fluctuations in emotion, happiness, sadness. I now believe that to be wrong however not completely so. The difference appears to be subtle but is fundamental. The principal error being that where there is a vacuum something can always fill the void very quickly. If I try to remove something completely from my mind, even if it never was really a problem, all of a sudden it becomes an issue. On the other hand it is correct since if you focus on what is temporal to bring you happiness the happiness or rather satisfaction that you gain can only be temporal.

Have I read the Secret? No.

Great Post.

There are so many intelligent, deep thinkers on this forum it literally humbles me every time Im on here.

Anyway,
so much conjecture and speculation on how we can make ourselves enightened and blissful and wealthy overwhelms me at times.

Sometimes I think, at the end of the day, its about loving other people unconditionally and reaching out to those in need, as most of us know, THIS is when we have been the happiest in our lives. Not all of this hogwash "The Secret" crap that ultimately is a very selfish way to live your life.

The irony of focusing on loving and helping others is that it comes back to you in spades, and even if you are depressed, sad, lonely etc. you are too busy to become enmeshed in it.

I always bottomline things in my mind and think that on my deathbed, Im not going to be going "Damn! I never got that Yacht, car, bigger house etc.
Im going to be regretting the love I held back and remebering the love I received, and thats it.

Yea its that guy Intel.

I would like to say i'm no deep thinker. Enlightenment or awakening or whatever you wish to call it isn't about thinking, to the contrary you think a lot less. Clever arguments and theories are for philosophers and others who like to play around with ideas of life. Awakening is about letting go of all beliefs and thoughts, and when that all drops away, the life that you are is revealed. This is no super human accomplishment which many so called 'gurus' would have you believe, and it earns you no super powers. You only recognise the impermanence of all things and therefore become free of the constantly fluctuating forms life takes on.

Originally Posted by Intel

You only recognise the impermanence of all things and therefore become free of the constantly fluctuating forms life takes on.

Something tells me you'll recant that statement when you've grown a little older and experienced a little more.

No man (or woman) is an island. No can be completely disaffected by life. Except coma patients.


On the same note, not everyone is the same as you. You're trying to define a concept that varies from person to person and is very much dependent on your own personality.

Dude, your 2 years older than me. But let me carry on.

The freedom you gain is inner freedom. You become like a deeply rooted tree as Jesus puts it. Even when the wind blows on your outer world, your inner being remains relatively undisturbed. You are human, and you continue to experience emotion (not to the degree most humans experience it, your emotion may last a split second in your organism as you allow it to pass through you, and don't hold on to any past situations. Or present for that matter).

Not everyone human is the same, however awakening is in no way a personal thing. In it you lose your false mind-made identity. You recognise that all of life is one, although in this world they look seemingly seperate. Physicists have even discovered that all things in the universe are interconnected, bhuddists discovered this 3000 years ago. The oneness you sense is hard to describe, a spiritual teacher (still living) once described it as a backround peace. You don't feel seperate entity from anything in life. You know yourself to be life. Now how personal is that?

There is no one behind your mind, and that is the very reason why the vast majority of humans are addicted to the inccessant stream of thought. Because they realise that on a deep level which they may not even be aware of, when they stop thinking, the ficticious mind-made self dissolves. There is nobody behind the mind, that is why this awareness is sometimes called a 'void', because nobody is there. This emptiness is peace.

When you awaken there is no 'person' that is awakeness, there is only pure awakeness. In that way you become pure spirit.

Originally Posted by Intel

Not everyone human is the same, however awakening is in no way a personal thing. In it you lose your false mind-made identity. You recognise that all of life is one, although in this world they look seemingly seperate. Physicists have even discovered that all things in the universe are interconnected, bhuddists discovered this 3000 years ago. The oneness you sense is hard to describe, a spiritual teacher (still living) once described it as a backround peace. You don't feel seperate entity from anything in life. You know yourself to be life. Now how personal is that?

No. Scientists haven't. Nor is this even originally a Buddhist concept. The Buddhists got it from the Hindu Brahman.

What you're doing here is preaching a spirituality, not a fact. Every religion in the history of mankind has claimed to have that means to make a person attain transcendence.