Thread: Are psychics real?

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

I told myself I would abandon this thread, but I broke the promise. Naturally, this argument should end only in a stalemate: "there is no final scientific determination proving that when a person dies everything is absolutely finished. Neither is there any proof, unequivocal and independent of faith, of the existence of something that lives on after death despite the body's decay" (quoted statement taken from the book Glimpses of the Beyond).

I never denied the existence of something beyond this life.

Okay, now, you provide Scripture forbidding spirit communication. Well, shouldn't these quotes from Scripture confirm (if you believe them and you must for posting them) the existence of a spirit world? So, I am a sorcerer or a dog for taking the advice of a voice that makes its way into my consciousness from the beyond? I don't think so, Terry. Had I not been warned by a voice that popped unexpectedly into my head many year's ago, I would have never made it this far.

If, as the Bible suggests, those 'spirits' are actually deceptive entities sent to interfere between God and man, perhaps you weren't meant to be here now? Remember, you brought the Bible into this.

And I'll tell you where you are going wrong tossing the Bible at me. There are people who could recite every word in the Bible and know every parable, but what good does it do for them if they have no love in their hearts? No good! You have to live those sacred words--not read them! Fortunately, I was raised by a mother who seldom read anything from the Holy Books (in fact, I don't recall ever seeing a Bible in our apartment). My mom, who seldom went to church, didn't have to read those words because she lived them. Reading and living are a miles apart.

You threw it first, Robin. So, you are saying only parts of the Bible are correct? Those which agree with you? To put my argument into simpler terms; The Bible does indeed speak of the supernatural and a spirit world -- you've spent a lot of time trying to convince us of a fact which was never in question --, but it warns us, even prohibits us, from interacting with that world. That is what you seem to be ignoring.

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[QUOTE=Terry D;1494279]
If, as the Bible suggests, those 'spirits' are actually deceptive entities sent to interfere between God and man, perhaps you weren't meant to be here now? Remember, you brought the Bible into this.




Are you familiar with the parable that goes something like "What Father would give his son a stone when the boy asks for bread"?

Being around Catholics most of my life, I was taught by priests that we are all children of a loving God, who is like a Father. That said, I ask you this question: If you have a child who couldn't swim and the child fell from a row boat into a lake, would you jump into the water to rescue your child? Or would you sit in the boat thinking this imust be the ending God planned for my child.

Besides, God has dispatched angels to intervene with persons in danger on many occasions. Why would you believe divine intervention is demonic?

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Originally Posted by Terry D

If, as the Bible suggests, those 'spirits' are actually deceptive entities sent to interfere between God and man, perhaps you weren't meant to be here now? Remember, you brought the Bible into this.




Being around Catholics most of my life, I was taught by priests that we are all children of a loving God, who is like a Father. That said, I ask you this question: If you have a child who couldn't swim and the child fell from a row boat into a lake, would you jump into the water to rescue your child? Or would you sit in the boat thinking this imust be the ending God planned for my child.

Your analogy has nothing to do with this discussion.

Besides, God has dispatched angels to intervene with persons in danger on many occasions. Why would you believe divine intervention is demonic?

I didn't say it was demonic. I only pointed out that the Bible repeatedly suggests that Satan frequently sends his minions in this manner, and that the practice of speaking with the dead is prohibited because of that. Why do you believe that all of these "interventions" are divine?

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Originally Posted by Robinjazz

I didn't say it was demonic. I only pointed out that the Bible repeatedly suggests that Satan frequently sends his minions in this manner, and that the practice of speaking with the dead is prohibited because of that. Why do you believe that all of these "interventions" are divine?

First off, before I continue, I want to say the following information is intended for believers only. I don't want to cross borders to engage into combat against atheists. Whatever a person believes is none of my business.

Now assuming you are a believer in God, I want you to digest what is written below:

I Jn. 4:1 says: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are of God because many false teachers have gone out into the world."

It doesn't mean that every spirit has sided with satan, does it?

Do you know that human love transcends time and space? Here's another example: A loving grandmother passes away, and one day appears (in spirit form) in her nine-year-old granddaughter's room, near the child's bed. The grandmother smiles at the frightened child to reassure the girl that all is well. Then, the grandmother begins a conversation with the child, and in return the child begins talking to her grandmother.

Should this be prohibited? Who in there right mind would prevent pure love (the love the grandmother has for her grand daughter) from reaching its destination?

Did I ever say all interventions are divine? I was speaking specifically about the voice that prevented my early departure into that other deminsion or plane (or whatever the place is called). Certainly, it was divine. Had I not been forewarned by it, my death would have wrecked my family with grief. Anything that prevents a parent from losing a child is divine. Don't you think?


Terry, you're a good man. No question about it, but I'm starting to believe we are giving other's headaches with this talk. So, you may have the next post to wrap up the show.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Now assuming you are a believer in God, I want you to digest what is written below:

I Jn. 4:1 says: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are of God because many false teachers have gone out into the world."

It doesn't mean that every spirit has sided with satan, does it?

Nope, but the ones that speak for God are called "angels". They are not the souls of the dead, who either go to Heaven or Hell, and are done with their involvement on the mortal plane. I would not consider Heaven "heaven" if I had a day job trying to interfere with God's plan by coaching living relatives. You think He needs your dead ancestors' help to see you through to His end?

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Do you know that human love transcends time and space?

Clearly science has been looking in the wrong place to break the speed of light. Why have we been bothering with physics, when all we need to do is figure out how to build love-powered warp engines. It's comforting to know my mom looking at my grad picture will someday provide the means to colonize Alpha Centauri.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Here's another example: A loving grandmother passes away, and one day appears (in spirit form) in her nine-year-old granddaughter's room, near the child's bed. The grandmother smiles at the frightened child to reassure the girl that all is well. Then, the grandmother begins a conversation with the child, and in return the child begins talking to her grandmother.

I think it's quite appropriate that you chose a child trying to find a mechanism to deal with grief as your reasoning why "grandma" appears.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Did I ever say all interventions are divine? I was speaking specifically about the voice that prevented my early departure into that other deminsion or plane (or whatever the place is called). Certainly, it was divine. Had I not been forewarned by it, my death would have wrecked my family with grief. Anything that prevents a parent from losing a child is divine. Don't you think?

Well, if you're still talking to "believers" exclusively, there are only two types of interventions: the divine by angels, and the satanic.

As for anything that prevents a parent from losing a child... that's a bit too simplistic to even address. Needless to say there are countless scenarios where it would be better for a child to pass on and be with God than to suffer on Earth. As a believer, you shouldn't have a problem agreeing, right?

Originally Posted by Capulet

Needless to say there are countless scenarios where it would be better for a child to pass on and be with God than to suffer on Earth. As a believer, you shouldn't have a problem agreeing, right?

Much more qualified to answer your question is a man of the cloth. Or Terry D, who seems to have a fine handle on religious matters.


Whenever I hear stories of a parent losing a child, I tend to think about the Fatima story where the Blessed Mother told the oldest child the two youngest will be in Heaven with God soon.



When I was twelve, I was scooped off the bottom of a pool by a lifeguard. It was an extremely hot and humid summer day and none of my friends wanted to play baseball. Instead, they headed for the public swimming pool and I tailed along.

Unable to swim, I became bored watching all of them having a good time in the water, so I went onto the diving board and jumped in. Straight down to the bottom of the pool (10 feet) I sank where I panicked and struggled to try to resurface. Of course, my flailing arms and legs just held me down. Fortunately, after what seemed like about thirty seconds, I felt an arm around my waist and was hoisted upwards. The lifeguard gave me a good scolding before sending me off to the low water section of the pool. The news of my drowning would have devastated my parents, especially my mom. I don't know why but every bout I've had with death (there have been a few), I have managed to luckily escape.

What's funny about the drowning incident is that I never thanked the lifeguard. I guess, I must have been an ungrateful kid.