Thread: the difference Uncle Ben and Uncle Tom?

a kid the other was aking what the difference was?
I was not sure what to say at first because the two are very similar in the image they give out but one is to do with rice packaging and the other I am not quite sure??

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An uncle tom is often a derogatory term used for someone excessively obedient within the negro community.

Though it's a poor example, some blacks / african americans, etc, might refer to Obama as an uncle tom.

Originally Posted by DAAR84

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An uncle tom is often a derogatory term used for someone excessively obedient within the negro community.

Though it's a poor example, some blacks / african americans, etc, might refer to Obama as an uncle tom.

I see I was wondering about the word TOM and where it came from?
could it be an acronym because I have to meet a black person called TOM it is a name widely used by the white catholic community hence the mix up about what TOM is and what it means in this context.

as to Uncle BEN again what is the link with a rice packaging and the picture of a black man, then the term UNCLE.

"uncle Tom's Cabin"- by Harriet Tubman. A book written to "dispel" the commonly held romantisized notion of the "Antibellum." The character "Tom " was the 'good negro" who just tried to get along by accepting his position.

Originally Posted by Kevin

"uncle Tom's Cabin"- by Harriet Tubman. A book written to "dispel" the commonly held romantisized notion of the "Antibellum." The character "Tom " was the 'good negro" who just tried to get along by accepting his position.

I more and more find these writers names fascinating.
why a Tom and most of all a cabin?


are you sure it is not HARRIET BEECHER STOWE?
Truman Capote
Harriet Tubman.
Mitch ALBOM

anti-bellum is a fascinating word
I would have never imagined Bellum as aword for war in latin.
it reminds me of BELM. excuse my french.

Originally Posted by DAAR84

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An uncle tom is often a derogatory term used for someone excessively obedient within the negro community.

Though it's a poor example, some blacks / african americans, etc, might refer to Obama as an uncle tom.

No not Obama, Herman Cain, one of the GOP Presidential Candidates, is the Uncle Tom. 85 to 95% of Black Americans vote Democrat these days, the party of Obama. Cain is a member of the other party, the conservative one, the party of the KKK. So if you look at it in those terms then you might ask "why is he there?"

I guess that's where Kevin's explanation comes in handy...

"uncle Tom's Cabin"- by Harriet Tubman. A book written to "dispel" the commonly held romantisized notion of the "Antibellum." The character "Tom " was the 'good negro" who just tried to get along by accepting his position.

Obama is more like the incarnation of Fredrick Douglass, authentic, whereas Cain IS the fictional character that is 'Uncle Tom'. Just saying...

Note, Uncle Tom got married to Aunt Jemima. Uncle Sam had to okay-it.

Originally Posted by Blood

No not Obama, Herman Cain, one of the GOP Presidential Candidates, is the Uncle Tom. 85 to 95% of Black Americans vote Democrat these days, the party of Obama. Cain is a member of the other party, the conservative one, the party of the KKK. So if you look at it in those terms then you might ask "why is he there?"

I guess that's where Kevin's explanation comes in handy...



Obama is more like the incarnation of Fredrick Douglass, authentic, whereas Cain IS the fictional character that is 'Uncle Tom'. Just saying...

Note, Uncle Tom got married to Aunt Jemima. Uncle Sam had to okay-it.

i hate those political definitions. what that does is essentially trap a black man into a "servitude"
thought process to a certain ideology.
my wife is 1/2 black. and although she's no republican, she's definitely not a democrat either.
she hates barack obama with a passion and considers him the worst thing to happen to race relations
in this country in a couple decades.
she's a ron paul fan.

Originally Posted by Nacian

I see I was wondering about the word TOM and where it came from?
could it be an acronym because I have to meet a black person called TOM it is a name widely used by the white catholic community hence the mix up about what TOM is and what it means in this context.

as to Uncle BEN again what is the link with a rice packaging and the picture of a black man, then the term UNCLE.

Tom was short for Thomas. As a work of fiction and a rather depressing story, I'm not terribly surprised there are few black people with the name Tom. You don't see many Palpatines, or Drizzt Du'ordens running around. Though that would be pretty wicked, lol.

Originally Posted by dale

i hate those political definitions. what that does is essentially trap a black man into a "servitude"
thought process to a certain ideology.
my wife is 1/2 black. and although she's no republican, she's definitely not a democrat either.
she hates barack obama with a passion and considers him the worst thing to happen to race relations
in this country in a couple decades.
she's a ron paul fan.

My wife is 100% black and she's an ardent Obama supporter. So I guess that makes my wife twice the authority over yours. What exactly is this trap?

You could be right about the race relations thing though. Researching before I post led me to discover that current Klan splinter divisions have grown substantially since the 2008 election of Obama (Wikipedia). So he may very well be the worst thing to happen for race relations since Martin Luther King. However, Obama is not that type of leader. He knows he's the President of the United States of America and not the President of the United States of Black People.

Originally Posted by Blood

My wife is 100% black and she's an ardent Obama supporter. So I guess that makes my wife twice the authority over yours. What exactly is this trap?

You could be right about the race relations thing though. Researching before I post led me to discover that current Klan splinter divisions have grown substantially since the 2008 election of Obama (Wikipedia). So he may very well be the worst thing to happen for race relations since Martin Luther King. However, Obama is not that type of leader. He knows he's the President of the United States and not the President of the United States of Black People.

not really....as obama himself is only 1/2 black, at most. and i don't buy into the whole "racist" drivel concerning the 2 establishment parties.
the democratic party founded the KKK and the democratic party continues to instigate race warfare rhetoric even today. they've always been
the party of "racists". look at the OWS movement today. staunchly supported by the democratic party, yet who is marching right along with
this movement, but the american nazi party themselves.

oh...btw....the only time i've ever voted in my life, it was for a democrat. but today? i think one party is as worthless
and deceptive as the other. i only respect 2 politicians out there.
1. dennis kucinich....a democrat
2. ron paul.....a republican

the rest are whores......including obama.


but anyway...i'm not going to derail this person's thread anymore with politics.

it's a pointless discussion topic to me.

Originally Posted by dale

not really....as obama himself is only 1/2 black, at most. and i don't buy into the whole "racist" drivel concerning the 2 establishment parties.
the democratic party founded the KKK and the democratic party continues to instigate race warfare rhetoric even today. they've always been
the party of "racists". look at the OWS movement today. staunchly supported by the democratic party, yet who is marching right along with
this movement, but the american nazi party themselves.

Obama’s mother was white, his dad was black, but he’s half black at most? You are suggesting that Obama does not look or act as black as he should, not even half black. That's racist. FYI

Not only did the Democratic party found the Klan, but they inspired the origin of the Liberal Republican 'anti-slavery' party...that was then. The Liberal Republicans also believed in big government while the Conservative Democrats were staunch supporters of states rights. Why? Because the supporters of slavery (conservatives) argued that one of the rights of the states was the protection of slave property wherever it went, a position endorsed by the Supreme Court Dred Scott decision in 1857, which was a very bad decision (that your half black wife unknowingly supports by being anti-Obama) . But these two parties have completely flipped positions since the civil rights era. I left you a clue in the original post that you responded to when I wrote, “Cain is a member of the other party, the conservative one, the party of the KKK.” All one can do is communicate the facts, how you receive them is up to your bias.

As far as the American Nazi Party joining the OWS, it’s a free country. They were not invited, but if they feel like they have a common enemy then so be it. The conservative Republican Klu Klux Klan can even jump in if they want, which is the sort of thing Rupert Murdoch or the Koch Brothers 'Prosperity for America' could secretly get behind.

The rest are whores......including obama.

Explain!

but anyway...i'm not going to derail this person's thread anymore with politics.
it's a pointless discussion topic to me.

That's what they all say.

I don't even know where to start on this one.

The second you start labling any person based off stereotypes, including those associated with skin colour or political affiliation, you open yourself up for misunderstanding. Look at what individuals say and do, and what who they associate with say and do, and then make up your mind. We are best examined through our own actions and the actions we tolerate in our presence.

Originally Posted by Capulet

I don't even know where to start on this one.

The second you start labling any person based off stereotypes, including those associated with skin colour or political affiliation, you open yourself up for misunderstanding.

That's why I base my opinions on evidence - historical, current, empirical - and facts.

Originally Posted by Blood

That's why I base my opinions on evidence - historical, current, empirical - and facts.

And you still support Obama?

Originally Posted by Baron

And you still support Obama?

Ha, very funny. But no I do not support Obama, per se, I support his policies.