Thread: Evidence of Alien Visitors?

The following videos were taken on August 26, 2011, by multiple people witnessing the same phenomenon in different parts of the world, on the same evening.

1)
ufo sightings nyc august 26 2011 - YouTube
A man in the passenger seat of a vehicle exits a car to
film strange lights in the sky over the Bronx in New
York. Others nearby come out to stand on the street
and look up at the lights, expressing to eachother their
confusion at what they are seeing. The lights move
together in the sky into formation.

2)
Ufo sighting in bronx ny 8-26-2011 - YouTube
Another witness films the same spectacle from a
rooftop. The lights form into a triangle that then rotates
in the sky.

3)
UFO sighting in Bronx, New York 8-26-2011 - YouTube
Yet another witness, a man, with a female and a child
film the same spectacle from another part of the city.
Six lights this time, arranged into two moving
triangles.

4)
UFO over the Bronx NYC august 26 2011 - YouTube
More witnesses, speaking Spanish, witness the same
lights, hovering in formation, from a distant vantage
point in city.

5)
UFO sighting in zionsville IN 2011 - YouTube
A boy and his father are driving along the highway in
Indiana when they see a cluster of lights hovering in
formation and express their confusion. They film one
orb floating above them as they drive under it.

6)
MUST SEE!!!UK UFO!!!(August 26 2011) - YouTube
Three males (possibly father and two sons) in the
United Kingdom stop their car while driving to film
lights in the sky. The lights move, change directions,
and accelerate in a recognizable pattern.

What do you think about this?

Originally Posted by KyleColorado

The following videos were taken on August 26, 2011, by multiple people witnessing the same phenomenon in different parts of the world, on the same evening.

1)
ufo sightings nyc august 26 2011 - YouTube
A man in the passenger seat of a vehicle exits a car to
film strange lights in the sky over the Bronx in New
York. Others nearby come out to stand on the street
and look up at the lights, expressing to eachother their
confusion at what they are seeing. The lights move
together in the sky into formation.

2)
Ufo sighting in bronx ny 8-26-2011 - YouTube
Another witness films the same spectacle from a
rooftop. The lights form into a triangle that then rotates
in the sky.

3)
UFO sighting in Bronx, New York 8-26-2011 - YouTube
Yet another witness, a man, with a female and a child
film the same spectacle from another part of the city.
Six lights this time, arranged into two moving
triangles.

4)
UFO over the Bronx NYC august 26 2011 - YouTube
More witnesses, speaking Spanish, witness the same
lights, hovering in formation, from a distant vantage
point in city.

5)
UFO sighting in zionsville IN 2011 - YouTube
A boy and his father are driving along the highway in
Indiana when they see a cluster of lights hovering in
formation and express their confusion. They film one
orb floating above them as they drive under it.

6)
MUST SEE!!!UK UFO!!!(August 26 2011) - YouTube
Three males (possibly father and two sons) in the
United Kingdom stop their car while driving to film
lights in the sky. The lights move, change directions,
and accelerate in a recognizable pattern.

What do you think about this?

Anything is possible.

Hans Holzer, renowned psychic investigator and ghost-hunter, wrote a book "THE UFO-NAUTS" in 1976. It is about beings from beyond our galaxy. Interesting read if you can find a copy.

There are no aliens.
If they were then I would say they are already among us.
I mean anyone can start anything from are they aliens to are they monsters in the sea..to does a stone turn blue because it likes it?
The rest is history.
There is a saying that goes:
The more you keep at something (that is not there) the more you will either see it or be it.

Originally Posted by Nacian

There are no aliens.
If they were then I would say they are already among us.
I mean anyone can start anything from are they aliens to are they monsters in the sea..to does a stone turn blue because it likes it?
The rest is history.
There is a saying that goes:
The more you keep at something (that is not there) the more you will either see it or be it.

The universe is much too vast to shut the door on alien life. The universe might contain 50 billion galaxies (each galaxy having billions of stars). Our own galaxy is the Milky Way, and it alone has about 200 billion stars.

If a person can't scratch his or her head in wonder while looking up at a starry night sky, then he or she will never be able to be amazed. The earth is neither flat like a pancake nor center of the universe. We are just another heavenly body--a tiny one too--adrift in endless space.

Of course who does not want to gaze at the starry night skies and wonder what might be??
But if you are going to tell me about an alien story then in my eyes, you have just spoiled it for me.
Is not that wonders and imagination go hand in hand?
Well I 'd rather wonder my own then be told what to look for or expect when I do get a chance to look onto the haveans at night.

Originally Posted by Nacian

Of course who does not want to gaze at the starry night skies and wonder what might be??
But if you are going to tell me about an alien story then in my eyes, you have just spoiled it for me.
Is not that wonders and imagination go hand in hand?
Well I 'd rather wonder my own then be told what to look for or expect when I do get a chance to onto the haveans at night.

Skeptics of ghosts present the same argument--if they themselves haven't seen a ghost, then they can't exist.

Saying that alien life doesn't exist in the universe is like saying that a woman in a red dress is strolling down a certain street in Manhattan. How would you know from your home in London when you can't even tell who's walking down a street only three blocks away from you.

Well I could say the same about Evolution and Darwin.
If I have not seen it happening then I cannot believe in it.
Can you blame me?

In fact doesn't this whole turns the tables around against the whole concept of what Science and beliefs is all about.
Science base itself on seeing is believing.
Darwin has not physically seen his evolution and yet science gives it the full approval.
Isn't that a BIG GAP in the making?

Originally Posted by Nacian

There are no aliens.

The probability of life other than ours existing in the universe is almost 100% due to the sheer size of the universe. That said, the probability of they contacting us is likely to be very low.

I also believe that most of the sightings are more likely to be unknown phenomena than alien lifeforms. There is little to no evidence that these strange events are the work of aliens, I could say "a dragon did it!" and I'd have just as much credibility. Now, the question is, just what are these UFOs?

A good question Elite.
But if you do not know what they are how can you say they exist?
I am being platonic here.

Science investigates--maybe it hasn't yet gathered the required evidence to conclude one way or the other. Should a detective investigating a missing person's case rule out foul play because a body hasn't been discovered?

Darwin--like so many other scientists--may be a genius, but he isn't the author of "The Know Everything" book.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Science investigates--maybe it hasn't yet gathered the required evidence to conclude one way or the other. Should a detective investigating a missing person's case rule out foul play because a body hasn't been discovered?

Darwin--like so many other scientists--may be a genius, but he isn't the author of "The Know Everything" book.

Depends what you call a genius.
I personally would not give him the title.
For someone to question existence of anyhting is one thing but to compare two very distinctive objects/subjects that are of very different worlds and assume that because of their shape they might be related is for me a little bit square in mind and thinking.
Forgive me if I do go on but this makes me laugh to no ends.

In fact doesn't this whole turns the tables around against the whole concept of what Science and beliefs is all about.
Science base itself on seeing is believing.
Darwin has not physically seen his evolution and yet science gives it the full approval.
Isn't that a BIG GAP in the making?

Science is not "seeing is believing" as you claim. If it were like that, then math, quantum physics, relativity and thousands of other scientific discoveries such as atoms wouldn't be science.

Science is experimentation, observation, sampling, statistics, reasoning, conclusions. Through the scientific method you need evidence to back of your reasoning, and evolution has enough evidence to be considered a valid reasoning. Evolution is not perfect, and due to the nature of evolution itself it is difficult to get irrefutable evidence, but so far, it's the best theory we have. Even newton and Einstein have been proven wrong in some areas, but that doesn't make their work any less valuable to humanity.

Originally Posted by Nacian

Depends what you call a genius.
I personally would not give him the title.
For someone to question existence of anyhting is one thing but to compare two very distinctive objects/subjects that are of very different worlds and assume that because of their shape they might be related is for me a little bit square in mind and thinking.
Forgive me if I do go on but this makes me laugh to no ends.

Evolution uses statistical evidence. It wasn't just two species, but nearly every living creature on this planet can be linked with a common ancestor, save for ourselves (there is a gap between primates and the first generations of homo-erectus, this is the missing link) and some other rare cases. The probability of evolution being "true" at this point is high enough for it to be considered true until proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Nacian

A good question Elite.
But if you do not know what they are how can you say they exist?
I am being platonic here.

We know with certainty that if a phenomena happened once (in this case, life), it can be replicated under the right circumstances. Considering the age and size of the universe, it's almost certain that life has existed before ours, still exists, and will continue to exists in some faraway planets. There is evidence of bacteria in mars, for example.

Now, the question is, are the UFOs we are seeing, extraterrestrial organisms? Most likely not, but what are they anyways? It's as easy to say "aliens!" as to claim a storm is the work of an angry god. The probability of these UFOs being aliens is astronomically low, but we can't deny these phenomena are occurring rather frequently. It might be some atmospheric anomaly or something like that, and it seems to be a very interesting object of study.

Originally Posted by elite

We know with certainty that if a phenomena happened once (in this case, life), it can be replicated under the right circumstances. Considering the age and size of the universe, it's almost certain that life has existed before ours, still exists, and will continue to exists in some faraway planets. There is evidence of bacteria in mars, for example.

With all due respect this is not correct. In statistics a sample size of one cannot be used to make predictions. One instance of anything can be an abberition, or an outlier. The size of the universe (number of opportunities) is not enough to make any claims about the probability of life existing anywhere else. All we know is that it can happen, any assumption as to its frequency is speculation. I believe there is life -- at least in its most basic form -- elsewhere, and I think most people do, but no one can honestly say it is probable, or improbable. We simply don't have the data.

The Martian 'bacteria' you mentioned does not exist. The structures found in that Martian meteorite have several other explanations. The idea of fossil bacteria has be very well refuted. No probe on Mars itself has found any evidence of life, either current or past.

Now, the question is, are the UFOs we are seeing, extraterrestrial organisms? Most likely not, but what are they anyways? It's as easy to say "aliens!" as to claim a storm is the work of an angry god. The probability of these UFOs being aliens is astronomically low, but we can't deny these phenomena are occurring rather frequently. It might be some atmospheric anomaly or something like that, and it seems to be a very interesting object of study.

I'd go as far as to say the chances of UFOs being of extraterrestrial origin are virtually impossible. There are physical laws govering the universe which cannot be broken.

I can't think of any valid reason why extraterrestrials would travel across interstellar distances to come and visit us. Panspermia doesn't seem very likely...and there really isn't any missing link. That's eyewash. At any rate I don't buy it.
Just because there are lights in the sky, or even flying craft (highly doubtful), that does not necessarily translate to extraterrestrial visitors. Earth is a pretty small, normal planet as planets go...safely within the habitable zone for our type of carbon-based life (you can make a case for silicon or sulfur-based life-not too many other chemical combinations can sustain the sort of ongoing reactions that cause day-to-day existence).
There isn't a single proven case that says otherwise-it's all supposition. So are reports of other paranormal phenomena. No incontrovertible evidence.
The case in the OP isn't well-made anyway. You might as well have cited the crystal skull or the alien skull or mysterious footprints. Hieroglyphics.

How can you say there isn't a single shred of evidence when millions of people witness the strange phenomena in the skies and governments go to lengths to conceal evidence from the general public.

Skeptics wouldn't believe in the existence of aliens even if they awoke with one in their bed. They'd probably brush off the incident as a dream. The size of the universe does matter. It is highly probably that out there in endless space another planet and a star are about the same distance from each other as the earth and the sun are. Thus, like our planet, the favorable conditions enable a life form to come into existence (Isn't that how nature works? Why would it discontinue working as it has for billions of years already?). Aren't human beings made of the same substance as the universe?

How can something be deemed impossible when, in fact, it has already been proven possible by the creation of life on our planet? All the universe is the same, is it not?


Science unwilling to admit to making mistakes because it lacked the necessary tools for a proper investiage wouldn't be trustworthy. Did not science once believe it impossible for rocks to fall to earth? For all we know, maybe, one day science will develop an instrument capable of detecting other life in the universe. Like everything else on earth, science is still an infant. Let it mature first before drawing conclusions.