Thread: Pedophilia and it's implications.

Originally Posted by Rustgold

I'm sick of listening to these types of arguments from grown men who can't get a adult female so they try cradle snatching.
Seriously, if you can't get a mature adult female interested in you, go and find out what fault you have and fix it. Just leave kids alone.

Agreed. This to me is rape, long term rape. Take a child, and convince them that for their own good, they should wed an older man of means? As a child?
Some children, and I mean like 13 and older, do choose to take things all the way, but I would say most of those do so with boys/girls only a few years difference in age. It is unappealing to a young woman to go to the bed of a man who has little else going for them but that they can provide. Which brings us to the question of the mature woman with experience, because if none of them are interested in this guy either, or he is the sort that cannot stand humbly in the face of a woman with an opinion, it is indeed a cruel fate for the child. And then to make the marriage hard to get out of? Really? Really, really?
I want to put forth two things here. One is that some girls are ready and willing at a young age, say, 13/14/15. For others, it would be disastrous. I personally think girls are ready to have relations years before they are ever ready to choose a man for the rest of their lives. And so while a young person could be fit for conscientious exploring, asking them to make a decision that is supposed, culturally to last, is to me, not necessarily OK. True a girl can have a baby, a boy can make one, and I think it best when a child has two parents, but a baby, to a girl...you fall in love with your baby, you gather them to you, and take them with you. You need to fall in love with your partner before considering making the kind of commitment expected. Why make marriages hard to get out of? If people change, why punish them and make their lives more difficult? Is forcing a marriage to last going to help anyone involved?
And I'd just like to point out that infidelity has got to be considerable when those youngsters forced to marry early grow and learn a bit about who they are and what was taken from them. I imagine if they are chaste, it is most likely from fear and that is no way to live or love. If they are brave, and leave, if they are aloud to go, there is no need of infidelity.
Children are sexual beings. That does not mean they are to be used. They are ready on a very individual basis. Still, they can choose. And again, I am talking 13+, and with similarly aged children. The first time I thought to go at it, I was about 6 but got distracted and forgot about it. At fourteen [nearing 15], I was all monkey and the only reason I did not, was the boy was able to hold himself back for lack of birth control. I could not, I was as willing as you get. Nothing in my life up till then had ever felt so natural or so right. I was home. Go figure.

At eighteen, I met a man of 38. I learned quite a lot over the course of about 20 months, and then a month and a half at 21. I consider him a friend to this day, though I've lost contact. It would have been a mistake to marry. It was a positive experience, sometimes less so, but mostly so. Having been there, I consider myself to have enough insight to have written what I did just above.

Originally Posted by Eluixa

It is rare I ever even click in to those let alone read them or respond. Yawn.

It was a joke, a joke! Not a funny one, but joke regardless. You can't take jokes seriously, even if they are lame, that denies their very existence!

On a more serious note, I really enjoyed reading your last two posts. It's an insightful opinion backed by experience (and from a woman at that), and it's flexible enough to make compromise, yet firm on the ideals it holds. Too bad I can't give away cookies on the internet! (and even then, I don't know how to make 'em, but that's another story)

Originally Posted by elite

It was a joke, a joke! Not a funny one, but joke regardless. You can't take jokes seriously, even if they are lame, that denies their very existence!

On a more serious note, I really enjoyed reading your last two posts. It's an insightful opinion backed by experience (and from a woman at that), and it's flexible enough to make compromise, yet firm on the ideals it holds. Too bad I can't give away cookies on the internet! (and even then, I don't know how to make 'em, but that's another story)

Have a cookie.

Originally Posted by elite

It's an insightful opinion backed by experience (and from a woman at that)...

I don't know what you mean here.

Originally Posted by Candra H

I don't know what you mean here.

Because so far the discussion was mostly Joseph, dudester, and capulet (all men) and early marriage mostly concerns women. Sorry if I sounded offensive.

Originally Posted by elite

It was a joke, a joke! Not a funny one, but joke regardless. You can't take jokes seriously, even if they are lame, that denies their very existence!

Oh. I can be very literal sometimes. I took you seriously.

Originally Posted by elite

Because so far the discussion was mostly Joseph, dudester, and capulet (all men) and early marriage mostly concerns women. Sorry if I sounded offensive.

It's cool. I just wanted to make sure I didn't misinterpret you.

Originally Posted by elite

Because so far the discussion was mostly Joseph, dudester, and capulet (all men) and early marriage mostly concerns women. Sorry if I sounded offensive.

That's not true. I really hate it when the PC media & feminists cry poor girl at being forced into a moronic marriage at 9 years old, then go around calling the boy a rapist when he's also 9 or 10 & forced to marry. This happens far too often. I consider the PC types just as filth-ridden as the adults that push these types of things.

Originally Posted by Rustgold

That's not true. I really hate it when the PC media & feminists cry poor girl at being forced into a moronic marriage at 9 years old, then go around calling the boy a rapist when he's also 9 or 10 & forced to marry. This happens far too often. I consider the PC types just as filth-ridden as the adults that push these types of things.

I mostly because one happens far more often than the other, or at the very least, the guy is more often the older person. If both are minors, then it's not pedophilia we are speaking of, but a completely different issue (arranged marriages).

The world revolves in shades of grey.

I wonder, do the media or feminists really cry rapist when both parties being forced into the marriage are nine or ten years old? Maybe some examples might be in order to back that claim up.

In the news tonight...
Poor girl forced into a moronic marriage at 9 years old --
feminists go around calling boy a rapist.
Full story at 11:00.

LOL

Originally Posted by JosephB

In the news tonight...
Poor girl forced into a moronic marriage at 9 years old --
feminists go around calling boy a rapist.
Full story at 11:00.

I can see this debate has moved on quite allot from the original post but I thought I would share my experience here with regards to the start of the thread.

I worked for a few years in a homeless shelter that only took clients with high support needs, basically the people that no other service would pick up. A small but significant number of my clients were predatory paedophiles. They were convicted sex offenders. Thankfully I had some great training on how to work with them and had good case histories of each individual. I was able to monitor them and prevent any further offenses taking place.
A predatory paedophile has what is termed a 'cycle of offending behaviour'. Its pretty grim stuff but basically what that means is the sexual desire for a child is a cyclical thing. It starts with the desire, and then goes through the planning stage, onto the grooming stage and finally the act. The aim is to break the cycle and keep breaking it so that the desire never becomes realised. It is possible to stop the cycle and return the offender to the beginning of the cycle. This was my job. I monitored the people in my care and on more than one occasion I had a person imprisoned because I knew they were at a stage where they were about to commit a crime and I was unable to engage them sufficiently enough to break the cycle.

In my professional opinion this case is a classic expression of someone having their cycle of offending broken before something horrible happened to a child at his hands.