Thread: Alien Intervention, the Proof

In a very recent report, some scientists think they have found the long lost city of Atlantis: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-03/scientists-say-theyve-found-lost-city-atlantis-swept-away-tsunami

Atlantis has been held to be a fable, a fantasy, a myth. The same was said of the city of Troy, until Von Schliemann found it in 1873. http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/troy.htm

What will be found in Spain remains to be seen, but recent technology has revealed that there was once was a golden age of man, until a great cataclysm very nearly wiped out mankind. In the bible, there is the story of the great flood http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/noahsarkflood.htm

However, the great flood story transcends many cultures http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

What we derive from legend is that a great cataclysm came upon the earth. Recent findings reveal what that cataclysm really was, 12,900 years ago, a comet hit in North America. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=did-a-comet-hit-earth-12900-years-ago

Similar to the comet hit on Jupiter seven years ago, the comet broke up and hit in similar points. One possibility is that the great lakes are actually comet craters. Why can’t we prove that ? Because from meteor strikes, we have a great many craters to study, and see a common result-irridium. Irridium is an element common to meteors. What we have from the comet is a vast layer of nanodiamonds. Are there any comet craters out there ? Not really, so the empirical evidence is low, save that the layer of nanodiamonds accompany a layer of charcoal. There were vast fires from the comet strike. But an important question remains, aren’t comets made of ice and snow ? Yes they are. So, what else happened ?

In a moment, billions of tons of water were flash boiled and thrown into the atmosphere. The weight of the water, creating rain and snow (depending on the region-see the flood story). The backside of the comet strike flash froze Wooly Mammoths in what is now Siberia. Strange thing, the mammoths had their stomachs filled with greens. http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter15.asp

There is more though. According to legend, Atlantis was lost after a day and night of misfortune. What does that mean ? Well, flash boil billions of tons of water, and what will happen is that the oceans will rise up, as much as 300 feet, planet wide, in a day.

Wait a second, you say, where’s the proof ? Did you see the story above about Spain ? well, check this out, a sunken city near Japan, found in 69 feet of water, and guess what, it’s got pyramids http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city.html

More pictures http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan2.html

Check out this sunken city near Cuba
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/lostcity.htm

This one near India http://www.hermetics.org/cambay.html

There’s more. Inside the great pyramids of Giza there are drawings. The drawings look a lot like astronauts http://www.alienswerehere.com/AncientAlienEvidence.html

And more-scientists love to tell us that Hebrew slaves built the great pyramids as tombs for kings, so, why is it that the pyramids are so perfectly aligned with compass points and stars in the sky ? http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-pyramids/page02.htm

Could it be that the pyramids were constructed by someone else for other reasons ? http://www.world-mysteries.com/aa_3.htm

The puzzle pieces are beginning to form a picture, but first, let me draw you a picture. You can’t drive all the way from Houston to Chicago without stopping for gas, right ? Well, suppose you had to pilot a ship across the galaxy, you might need a pit stop, right ? Suppose Earth was a pit stop for races other than ours. They would need facilities, perhaps communications (see pyramids).

Suppose you are one of those other races. Earth is a good rest stop. Lots of free labor, food, water, and the rules say you’re not supposed to mess with the natives, but there are moments when no one is looking. It would explain why some people are brilliant and some aren’t.

Then, one of the inbound ships say that there’s a comet inbound and it’s too big to blast out of the sky, What do you do ? You fold up camp and decide to high tail it out of town, but first you tell the natives to build an ark.

The proof is there, it’s just that no one has tied it all up before. No scientist wants to stick his neck out, when he/she would rather easily obtain a grant from some corporation to prove something someone in Congress will vote you money for.

I don't believe in aliens.

There could be intelligent (or non-intelligent) life on some far away planet. That does not disturb me. Curiosity would lead me to want to see them or interact with them. Although the other side of me tells me not to want to meet another species that might obliterate my a___ or world.

But if earth is the only planet with life - or intelligent life - then that is fine too. That does not disturb me. I've never been to the moon anyways. Or any other planet. Hell... I'd be happy just to travel planet earth. I've never been to Europe or 99% of the countries on earth. I've never been deep sea scuba diving either - which is another kind of world too.

My bet is that we will never meet aliens (and if we do, if they visit us first, you can bet your fat a__ they have the tech to enslave or wipe us out, and will do it).

I have good reason to believe the major governments have not retrieved alien life forms. Against little Afghanistan we sent the Western world with Asian allies. The earthly threats gave reason for the UN and NATO.

If the US and UK faced a threat from aliens that could fight us from outer-space then there would be relative peace on earth. We'd all be homeboys. But the world is split up between Crips and Bloods. Why? Because aliens don't exist.

Originally Posted by Writ-with-Hand

I don't believe in aliens.

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Three sides to every story: yours, his, and the truth.


We will never meet them. Who knows, perhaps they have met us? Anything is possible, and one would have to be a fool to think that any government would disclose information about captive aliens or crafts.

I wonder what we did to make them stop visiting? People can be pretty rude, I guess.

Rude, liars, dishonest--the list goes on and on and on and on. That's why it is a difficult task to get to the truth. So few speaking it, and when somebody is actually on to something that might contain a grain of truth, along comes the broad brush to paint him/her insane. Really, it's a sad joke.

Take the child to the candy store and wrap yourself up in her world. Most likely, from a child, you'll probably get a story that is much closer to truth, then you will get from a scholar.

Well, I was just kidding. I’ve found that most people aren’t rude. And in my experience, I’ve found that people are generally decent and default to honesty.

But this seems to be a recurring theme with you – that people are awful. Whenever I see folks with that attitude, I can’t help but wonder if they’re projecting, or that maybe it has something to do with how they treat others. Regardless, it seems like a pretty sad way to go through life.

The only website in the list of lost cites above which has any credibility is the one from the National Geographic and in that article there is no proof that the structurs are anything but natural.

Comets are not balls of ice. They are rocky conglomerates which contain a lot of ice, so a comet would not vaporize in the atmosphere as you describe.

Aliens never visited the Earth. The laws of physics prevent it. All the science fiction technologies whcih people talk about; wormholes, tacheon drives, hyperdrives, etc., are just that, fiction. The simple fact is that nothing can travel faster than light speed. Nothing, ever. We know that physics works the same way everywhere in the universe, so there's no alien intellegence out there that's figured out a way around the limitations. Even if a craft could approach light speed -- and the energy required to do that would be nearly infinite -- it would take 4.5 years, one way, to get here from even the nearest possible planet, from another part of the galaxy could take many thousands of years. These people aren't dropping by for a fill-up and a Slurpee.

All the ancient alien stuff is designed to sell books to people who are enamored with the romance of it and don't understand the science.

Originally Posted by Dudester

Suppose you are one of those other races. Earth is a good rest stop. Lots of free labor, food, water, and the rules say you’re not supposed to mess with the natives, but there are moments when no one is looking. It would explain why some people are brilliant and some aren’t.

A good rest stop for what? We've examined the closest systems and there's nothing of note. Our solar system is not near any major clusters of stars. We're near the edge of the galaxy.

Preposterous as this notion is, the only way it would hold credibility is if we *were* near something interesting. To use your own analogy, it would be like aliens going from Houston to Chicago... and stopping in Egypt for gas.

In my mind the highest probalbility is that we will be the ones to find alien life, and of course we will be the ones enslaving them instead.

Originally Posted by Custard

In my mind the highest probalbility is that we will be the ones to find alien life, and of course we will be the ones enslaving them instead.

There's very good evidence that we already have. Evidence of bacterial life on Mars, for example.

But you're not talking about mere "life." You're talking about "intelligent life."

The problem is one of time spans. I don't believe we will detect an alien signal. Consider how small the window is for technological advancement. Even if we determine that our own advancements are atypically fast and assume a more generalized slower rate, we're still talking about very radical changes in how data is transmitted in just the span of a handful of human generations. So whatever mode of communication is used, it's likely to not last long (in galactic terms). Second, you have to have the right receiver. A person with a radio would be at a loss to make sense of a cell phone transmission, for example.

So basically, for us to receive a clearly intelligent signal from somewhere out there, a) they would have to have been using a technology we're capable of creating, b) the signal would have had to have been sent in the right direction AND with enough strength to make it here without degrading, and c) we would have to be looking in the right direction at the right time to catch it.

In other words, it's entirely possible that some intelligent signal already has, or even currently is reaching Earth and we simply have no way to "hear" it. And by the time we do catch up technologically, there's no guarantee the signal will still be transmitting toward us.

Finding intelligent life on another planet is an equally narrow window. We have to pick a habitable planet, it has to actually *have* life, that life has to be intelligent, and we'd have to arrive during the time when that intelligent life is thriving. And if we're going to enslave them, we'd better arrive when they are technologically younger than us at the time of our arrival.

And of course, this all assumes that some kind of intelligent life other than us exists within our own galaxy. I think the span of the universe makes intelligent life likely *somewhere* out there, but unless or until we transcend "traditional" life spans, we're not exploring beyond our galaxy.

I think our most likely first encounter will be to explore some planet and find the remains of some long extinct race. Then we'll have to piece together who they are and what happened to them.

Originally Posted by Zuiun

There's very good evidence that we already have. Evidence of bacterial life on Mars, for example.

No such evidence exists. If you are talking about the 'fossil microbe' found in the martian meteorite in antarctica, that was no more than an odd shape in the stone which has been thouroughly debunked.

Originally Posted by Writ-with-Hand

I don't believe in aliens.

There could be intelligent (or non-intelligent) life on some far away planet. That does not disturb me. Curiosity would lead me to want to see them or interact with them. Although the other side of me tells me not to want to meet another species that might obliterate my a___ or world.

1) Why does Hollyweird make so many violent alien movies ?

2) Why do people pay good money to see such crap ?

Originally Posted by Joseph_B

I wonder what we did to make them stop visiting?

The comet was coming. They knew that the atmosphere would be fouled for an eon. They moved on and found other places to go. This is why, in the other thread, I wrote that the people we meet from the Centauri systyem would look just like us.

Originally Posted by Terry

Aliens never visited the Earth. The laws of physics prevent it.

Some of the scientists working on the Manhattan Project thought that the initial chain reaction would be an ongoing unstoppable reaction. The discovery of Pennicilin was quite accidental. Some of the scientists working on the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory were thought to be geniuses. It turned out that they were huge frauds. The Nobel Committee gave mankind's most prestigious award to a guy who made a documentary based on junk science and made up crap. The next year, they gave the same award to Obama for 29 days work in which he accomplished.....nothing.

Originally Posted by Zuiun

the only way it would hold credibility is if we *were* near something interesting. .

You wouldn't happen to hold a liost of alien races and items they might need for a variety of purposes, would you. Oh yeah, I forgot, in our galaxy, only Earth sustains life.

Originally Posted by Dudester

1) Why does Hollyweird make so many violent alien movies ?

2) Why do people pay good money to see such crap ?

I dunno... makes the popcorn taste good?

^^ Those aliens (in pic) look short. Doesn't tell much else about their anatomy. I wonder how big their feet are?