Thread: Alien Intervention, the Proof

Garza,

I was talking about planets discovered around other stars. The Keppler mission is a space based telescope which is photographing a dedicated section of the sky in the constellation Cygnus, watching for the telltale signs of planets passing in front of their stars. I didn't mean to give the impression that we'd discovered 600 planets in our solar system (hell, we can't currently decide if it's 8 or 9 -- poor Pluto)

Robinjazz,

I didn't say they hadn't seen anything. Just not aliens. People use to claim they had seen leprechauns, faries, and unicorns too. The human mind is capable of some great leaps when confronted with something it cannot understand. Assuming an alien answer to an unexplained sighting ignores the facts; interstellar travel is not possible in any realistic time frame. If another civilaization were to cross the distance from even a nearby star it would take years, and a huge commitment of resources. Is it reasonable to think that such a traveler would only show themselves to random people? If they wanted to learn about us they would make contact. Why abduct someone for study when they could learn all they need to know about human anatomy from a couple of stolen text books? The descriptions of these aliens and their craft are never consistant, how many different species are visiting? There is no logic to the observations.

Originally Posted by Terry D

Garza,

Robinjazz,

I didn't say they hadn't seen anything. Just not aliens. People use to claim they had seen leprechauns, faries, and unicorns too. .

Here comes that broad brush again--paint the credible witnesses as insane. You'd make a good government cover-up agent.

First off, if you can't believe what comes from the mind of a credible witness, why should anyone believe what comes from yours? Isn't that a fair statement?

Stolen text books? That's funny. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but there's nothing like the real thing (Just by looking through a Playboy magazine, one knows that.) Another question: Were there any textbooks during the Neanderthal period? Who's to say that man didn't come from one of their textbooks?

But how do these witnesses come to the conclusion that what they saw was an alien, and not just something that was alien to them? How do they know what they're seeing is from outerspace or another planet, and not simply something out of the ordinary that can be explained? How do you define a witness as credible? A "credible" witness doesn't necessarily guarantee credible evidence. There's always the possibility that they're wrong, mistaken, or just lying, just as much as it's possible they are not.

Some people need evidence of which there is almost no doubt; some need none at all. All I know is you can't accept someone else's account as proof; at least, not 100% of the time.

Any sane, ordinary person who isn't looking to profit from his story has no reason to lie. We aren't talking about government officials.

http://www.unsolved-mysteries.com/uf...n/index.1.html

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Here comes that broad brush again--paint the credible witnesses as insane. You'd make a good government cover-up agent.

Where did I say anyone was insane? All I'm saying is that without evidence a visual sighting of something is worthless as proof. That's just the way science works.

First off, if you can't believe what comes from the mind of a credible witness, why should anyone believe what comes from yours? Isn't that a fair statement?

Well, an eyewitness statement usually won't even get you a conviction in an Earthly court due to the unreliability of that sort of testimony, so I'm supposed to accept it as absolute regarding activities which are physically impossible? I would not expect any reasonable person to accept anything I said without coroboration, but I have the science on my side here.

Stolen text books? That's funny. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but there's nothing like the real thing (Just by looking through a Playboy magazine, one knows that.) Another question: Were there any textbooks during the Neanderthal period? Who's to say that man didn't come from one of their textbooks?

My point was simply that any civilization sufficiently technologically advanced to get here would have better methods of study availible to them than abducting someone and probing them. The whole line of thought is simply banal.

This is my last post on this issue. People can believe what they want -- and often that belief is based on their wishes more than facts.

Wishes? There have been reported UFO sightings for thousands of years.

You might want to believe what your government spoon feeds you (Didn't the British government release UFO documents a month ago--50 years after some of the actual incidents occurred?) That's your business, not mine.

But you have a better chance at getting the truth from a person in a mental institution than getting it from your government.

Nice try with the leprechauns, faries, and unicorns. Just in time for St. Patty's Day.


And I wouldn't expect any reasonable person to make up fairytales.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

And I wouldn't expect any reasonable person to make up fairytales.

That's a sad comment on Hans Christian Andersen, not to mention all those modern fantasy writers.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Everyone has bad habits but you.

My wife definitely wouldn't agree with that -- like when I don't squeeze the toothpaste from the bottom up.

Originally Posted by Terry D

Why abduct someone for study when they could learn all they need to know about human anatomy from a couple of stolen text books?

So that's what happened to my 10th grade anatomy book. Aliens stole it, of course. Probably on their way to some other planet to help them build pyramids.

It's sadder when someone tries to portray any credible witness as nuts. And, even much more sadder when a person has difficulty believing anything that isn't conceived in his/her own mind.


I'm not a psychiatrist, but it must be a psychological disorder when someone cannot believe another person who hasn't any reason to lie.

Well because there are hundreds of things that even we don't know about the human body yet (reffering as to why they abduct humans). Intelligent or not aliens exist; the chances of them not existing are next to none.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

Any sane, ordinary person who isn't looking to profit from his story has no reason to lie. We aren't talking about government officials.

Unsolved Mysteries - The Worlds Unexplained Mysteries - UFO Sightings

What about getting attention? It's amazing to what lengths people will go for attention. Some of them even write novels. Which are essentially hundreds of pages of prolonged lie.

Old farmers neither want nor crave attention. It has already been established that the people we are referring to are reasonable. Not everyone seeks his own reality show, not just yet anyhow.

Check this list out:

List of UFO sightings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, not all of the sightings are true, but many are.

Originally Posted by Robinjazz

It's sadder when someone tries to portray any credible witness as nuts. And, even much more sadder when a person has difficulty believing anything that isn't conceived in his/her own mind.

Don't confuse asking for real evidence as having a closed mind. I have an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but it must be a psychological disorder when someone cannot believe another person who hasn't any reason to lie.

You have no idea what motivates another person, you don't know their reasons for saying what they say. Nor do I, that's why I never accused anyone of lying (although that is a possibility in many cases). All I'm saying is that they are mistaken, misguided, misinformed. As I believe you to be. By the way, you are the only person in this thread who's accused anyone of being "nuts".

And regarding your previous post; UFOs have been sighted for many years. But UFO does not equal spaceship.

All of the sightings weren't by old farmers, though. And you simply cannot know the motives of others.

Maybe all these people sought attention too. Or better yet, simply label them as nuts.

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