Thread: Has my government gone mad?

The concept of confidentiality has been suspect since the Gestapo obtained lists of Jews from the local town hall. I note according to our census there are hardly any Jews in England nowadays, a wise precaution. Perhaps a few more people will be unwilling to hand over their details this time around, the government has contracted a foreign arms manufacturer to collect our details, (Lockheed Martin).
I feel it is madness to hand over £150, 000, 000. and all our confidential information to a foreign company with the morality of a cluster bomb manufacturer.

It's difficult to fight the system, mate. Before long, most of us will be reduced to embedded details on a single card. It's already happening here. I fight it by refusing to hand over irrelevant details to govt agencies. In a country where voting is compulsory, I haven't voted since 1978. When the inquisitors come knocking, I just pretend to be a visitor from Darwin.

ID cards were proposed in the UK by the last government (Labour) but have been cancelled on the basis of cost more than anything thankfully. Olly, I agree. Extremist parties are on the rise in this country, the EDL and left-wing rioting in central London are only the start I believe. The most shocking thing is that both extremes of left and right have one other thing in common other than violence - anti-Semitism. I think it is a sad day when we approach our census forms worrying about what we need to keep to ourselves. I do hope that extremism will never come to the fore in this country, however it needs to be closely monitored.

Money lenders are a usurious lot. Perhaps they brought it on themselves.

Originally Posted by Olly Buckle

I note according to our census there are hardly any Jews in England nowadays, a wise precaution.

I have been born and brought up in this country and can't ever remember any anti-jewish comments from anyone in my life. I think people just don't care. Of course, that's my own experience and I know that one's own experiences can sometimes mislead. But so can other people's experiences, and sometimes it's good to think about one's own.

Actually, as a further thought, I've heard some anti-Israelli comments recently due to the troubles from pro-palestinians but I see that as anti Israel rather than anti Jewish.

Originally Posted by Olly Buckle

I feel it is madness to hand over £150, 000, 000. and all our confidential information to a foreign company with the morality of a cluster bomb manufacturer.

All they care about is the money, Olly. The same as the people running Toys R Us. MONEY.

Originally Posted by Paul Byrne

ID cards were proposed in the UK by the last government (Labour)

In the eighties, the tories wanted I.D. cards but Labour said it was the tories acting like big brother and it got dropped. Politicians are like windsocks.

I don't know why they don't say a drivers photocard licence is enough, or for those that don't drive, do it via the banks - have a photocard bank debit card.

xO - Remember that Jews originally were a pastoral people, and if you look at how Israel has developed you'll see that the ancestral traits have re-emerged. Jews only became money lenders because in Europe they were not allowed to own land and their choices for vocations were otherwise limited. At the same time, Christians were not supposed to lend money to other Christians on interest. So Jews became money lenders. My paternal grandmother's relatives in Germany were all small shopkeepers. None of them were money lenders and none of them were wealthy. By the end of WWII they were all dead.

Not at all.

Your government is functioning exactly as it was designed.

Has my government gone mad?

Um no. It's always been barking.
The list of qualifications to demonstrate this fact, is so long and boring that I will just ride my favourite hobby horse.
Why is it so difficult to ask some one in charge some questions ?
The nearest I can get to the minister in charge of anything, is my local MP. and all he can get for me is a standardised letter that is often not about the question I asked. Prime ministers question time is knock a bout entertainment, but why can't the British public have a go ?

Originally Posted by bazz cargo

Um no. It's always been barking.
The list of qualifications to demonstrate this fact, is so long and boring that I will just ride my favourite hobby horse.
Why is it so difficult to ask some one in charge some questions ?
The nearest I can get to the minister in charge of anything, is my local MP. and all he can get for me is a standardised letter that is often not about the question I asked. Prime ministers question time is knock a bout entertainment, but why can't the British public have a go ?

It's worth a group of people getting together to lobby an MP (or lord for matters concerning bills that are being voted in the House of Lords).

Lobbying - UK Parliament

http://www.tuc.org.uk/alltogetherfor/how_to_lobby.pdf

I mentioned this to someone today and they pointed out there is nothing new under the sun, IBM helped the National Socialists organise the census in Germany in 1941, that had questions about ethnicity. Knowing these details are being collected by an American corporation I certainly wouldn't list myself as Islamic or Arab if I were. Apologies to the honest brokers if they exist, but large corporations don't have a great record.

Originally Posted by bazz cargo

Um no. It's always been barking.
The list of qualifications to demonstrate this fact, is so long and boring that I will just ride my favourite hobby horse.
Why is it so difficult to ask some one in charge some questions ?
The nearest I can get to the minister in charge of anything, is my local MP. and all he can get for me is a standardised letter that is often not about the question I asked. Prime ministers question time is knock a bout entertainment, but why can't the British public have a go ?

What you need is an Independent MP. Preferably one with fire in their belly. We have one such, a woman. She once told me Ministers dislike being grilled in the House and will do anything in their power to shut her up. I haven’t yet succeeded in bringing about legislative change, but I have succeeded in learning about obscure provisions in legislation by which some of my goals can be reached.

In the New World Order (eeerrrr Economy) we have essentially sold our souls to the devil. Foreign interests guard our security, communists nations own the bulk of our assets, and we outsource the basic function of customer service to the lowest bidder. I expect this will all change as the oil dries up and it becomes far too expensive to ship over long distances. I believe it will all collapse in time and traditional measures will return to the Nations from which they began.

Probably not in my lifetime, but my kids maybe.

In the meantime I hear 666 tattoos are in vogue.

It's worth a group of people getting together to lobby an MP (or lord for matters concerning bills that are being voted in the House of Lords).

Getting people together !
I work in a factory. The staff consists of about sixty percent foreign nationals. No one of any nationality knows how to work a toilet properly. Simple ideas like closing a door will keep the heat in is beyond comprehension.

It seems to me, policy is made up by a committee, without including all parties concerned. How come the tuition fees debate did not take place in a big room, with tax payers, students, university's, employer's, and the press ? ( Reporting only after the decision had been made )
The same for the NHS. Reform, and others just as important.
I am not seeking to lobby for anything. All I want to know is why certain things are being done, and what kind of plans are being contemplated, for dealing with trouble now, and trouble soon to come.
Asking questions is a very important task, and we all should be doing it, But just you try getting a five minute face to face with the minister in charge of something.
Radio five live is really good at doing this, but I never have access to a phone.