Thread: Homosexuality

I understand that a couple of threads have picked up on this. One thread was particular in male homosexuality. Most of these threads were made from those who were disgusted by the idea of two people of the same sex. But the last thread was simply only about male homosexuality. There were post against the person who made the thread as homosexuals. But I really wanted more to start a thread as a homosexual.
And give out a different ideas and questions.

For those For Homosexuality:

Is this simply because of your indifference to it all? That you don't care what someone does in their private lives?

Or are there still feelings of homosexuality you don't understand? Have you once encountered yourself exploring your sexuality?

What makes you for homosexuality other than what people do in their private lives shouldn't be regulated?

For those Against Homosexuality:

I understand many of the arguments are that it isn't normal. And that it is disgusting.

But, what really fuels you that homosexuality is wrong? Underneath it all there has to be some deeper explanation other than it isn't normal.

Have you ever explored your sexuality? How did that make you feel? Were ever given a chance to explore your sexuality?

For those who are Proud Homosexuals:

When did you realize you were gay? When you realized this, were you aware of the politic and social eggs that were going to be crack?

How do you feel about the future of your love life being built on how society feels about your relationship?

How often do you go out with your partner? Can you comfortably go out with your partner [if you have one] without stares?

Thank you for those who have taken the time to read this. If you don't answer all the questions I understand. They are very private conversations. I do appreciate just the simple looking of this thread. Thank you.

Is this simply because of your indifference to it all? That you don't care what someone does in their private lives?

A lot of us, like me, don't care not because of our indifference but because it is simply none of our business. What a person does in the privacy of their own homes is not for me to judge.

Have you once encountered yourself exploring your sexuality?

Oh yes, I could entertain myself for hours. Binging on cocaine with my x wife made for a lot of exploring.

What makes you for homosexuality other than what people do in their private lives shouldn't be regulated?

I wouldn't so much say that I'm "for" homosexuality as much as I'm simply not against it. This is a personal choice and none of my business.

How often do you go out with your partner? Can you comfortably go out with your partner [if you have one] without stares?

This is where I take an issue with it. Going out is fine, just like heteros do. Public displays of affection should take into consideration other people. I don't want to have to explain to my 5 year old grand daughter why two men or women are deep tongue kissing as was done at a big sports event as a form of protest.

Originally Posted by Ditch

This is where I take an issue with it. Going out is fine, just like heteros do. Public displays of affection should take into consideration other people. I don't want to have to explain to my 5 year old grand daughter why two men or women are deep tongue kissing as was done at a big sports event as a form of protest.
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I don't doPDA most times. I may however, kiss my partner on the cheek lightly the way any straight couple might do if the woman said, "I gotta go pick something up"

I hug him. I hold his hand. I only ever lip kiss now and then and it isn't full blown makeout seen, tongue is gross straight or gay.

I have four influences on me regarding homosexuality. In no particular order perhaps.

1. Catholicism
2. Tibetan Buddhism
3. Science of biology
4. Personal experience

When it comes to Catholicism I'm probably guilty of apostasy. To so-called "conservative" Catholics this is much more apparent. To so-called "liberal" Catholics and anti-Catholics (sometimes they're one and the same) this usually is not apparent at all. In fact they often regard me as super-Catholic. Admittedly, since the 1960's the Catholic Church while large in numbers has become pathetically weak, divided, confused, and compromised much of its integrity (lay and clergy) with the trendy views of modernity. A small percentage of humanity are what we term "leaders" the rest of us are followers, laborers of the ship. The individual therefore can not withstand the social pressure and institutional pressures of society at large. That's why the Germans followed the Nazi's.

Having said that...

Everything regarding the human person is biological to some extent. This includes murder or socializing as a member of the conservative Republican Party. Being homosexual is no more biological then that. You can refer to Terry R. McGuire, Ph.D., of Rutgers University essay Is Homosexuality Genetic? A Critical Review and Some Suggestions for better insight on that.

Largely I regard homosexuality as a sexual fetish. Much the same as my inclination for darker Latinas with prominent, round butts. I have many sexual fetishes. Big breasts aren't really one of them. If a woman has the kind of butt and legs I like then she can have a chest as flat as a 10 year old American girl. Which quite a number of mixed-race women of Brazil have due to some of them being more than a little mixed with the genes of the Amerindian population historical to that region. Homosexual and bisexual attractions follow this same genetic line.

The human genome is less authoritarian and a God of predestination than what the media and various political lobbying groups like to suggest. At best the human genome in an author of potentials and free will when it comes to phenotypic behaviors. If that is not the case we will have to put psychologists and sociologists out of business.

From a stand point of natural selection and evolution there seems to be little reason any "gay gene" or "gay genes" should survive, since fitness and evolution itself requires reproductive success. Given that a child inherits half its genes from mother and the other half from father, we should should see homosexuality as a familial inheritance. That is to say more "gay families" in contrast to more "straight families."

The Catholic and Tibetan logic of sex actually corresponds best with modern biological science. That is to say the human genitals are viewed first and foremost as biological organ designed for procreation, propagation of the species. In other words as pertains to selection the penis design won out for the vagina and not the hand, breasts (rub in between), rectum, or mouth.

If it is wrong? I take a more Tibetan Buddhist view here and so it becomes a bit of a difficult question to answer. Lonely men? Prisoners? Infatuation etc. Difficult. In general I would regard it as sexually inappropriate in so far as it strays from "self mastery" and gives into the temptation of "sin."

I take a harder line when the issues arises about the Catholic Priesthood. I think homosexuals should be barred from entering the Priesthood. The Church tolerated openly homosexual Priests and by some accounts gay culture within the seminaries from the 1960's on and it did not help the Church at all. Not because gay men are pedophiles but because most men find themselves attracted to teenagers they find appealing. A minority of men be they heterosexual or gay will give into this.

One of the notorious left-wing gay Priests (wearing his hair long during the 60's) was a pastor for the rebellious pro-gay Catholic lay group (Dignity I think they're called) and one of the founding members of NAMBLA. Only Catholicism acted so "liberally" and tolerated men like this - or the notorious anti-Catholic Hans Kung - within its ranks. They should have been tried under the Inquisition and pushed out of the Church. The NAACP does not tolerated KKK members in its organization or members that contradict the moral or ethical precepts of the organization.

As for secular society I'm against any sodomy laws or anti-gay laws and I support gay marriage only if it will better assimilate homosexuals into society, reduce stigma, and decrease suicides. But I regard gay marriage as an oxymoron.

Finally, no one is simply one thing. Stating person A is Catholic; Person B is homosexual; And person C is female, tells insufficiently little about a person. Perhaps person A is also a wife abuser and murdered in La Cosa Nostra. Person B also a medical doctor and volunteer among the poor. Person C might be a chemistry major, aspiring author, and the apple in the eye of some Latin man in Spain.

Personally, and it is just that mind, I think I've stumbled across a silly thread. Would I ask a gay man if he was for or against heterosexuality?

You don't need to answer.

Personally, I'm for it. Hurray for homosexuality!

Originally Posted by Bilston Blue

Personally, and it is just that mind, I think I've stumbled across a silly thread. Would I ask a gay man if he was for or against heterosexuality?

That's illogical, seeing as Homosexuality seems to be something unacceptable in society.

J.P., I appreciate your sentiments, I do, though in my society there are far more unacceptable things happening than homosexuality. Families educating their children to be bigots being my bug bear at the moment, because it's local and indirectly affecting me. It isn't their racism that I'm offended by, it's their preaching of it to their children, which will be spread to their friends. Sorry for going off at a tangent. I simply wished to point out that I am neither for or against; it isn't a competition or sport, and therefore I shan't take sides.

I do hope you take my comments in the spirit with which they were intended.

Scott.

Originally Posted by Bilston Blue

J.P., I appreciate your sentiments, I do, though in my society there are far more unacceptable things happening than homosexuality. Families educating their children to be bigots being my bug bear at the moment, because it's local and indirectly affecting me. It isn't their racism that I'm offended by, it's their preaching of it to their children, which will be spread to their friends. Sorry for going off at a tangent. I simply wished to point out that I am neither for or against; it isn't a competition or sport, and therefore I shan't take sides.

I do hope you take my comments in the spirit with which they were intended.

Scott.

Well just like your concerns affect your life.

I live in California. And homosexuality affects my life here. Remember they voted for Prop 8, which banned gay marriage. Though they took back and allowed us to marry because it was considered unconstiutional. But there still a lot of backlash.

We have a lot of anti-gay sentiments here.

I understand what you're saying. But being gay here, is a bad thing or so it feels.

I have a stepbrother who is gay. He and his partner have been together for thirty five years. They quietly go about their lives and never wave it in anyone's face that that they are gay. I don't have the slightest problem at all with this.

Those wanting gay marriage seek it on the justification that it opens legal doors for them (medical decisions). Actually, those doors are already open to them (it's called Power of Attorney). They are just trying to wave it in people's faces. I'm tired of the fact that just about every TV sitcom or drama has a family member who is gay and is easily offended at everything and needs special elite citizen status to deal with every freakin decision of every day life ("Oh, he won't hire me because I'm gay." No you idiot, he didn't hire you because there's a recession on and he's laying off staff-get over yourself. ).

I have a neighbor who is a stripper. I wouldn't know if she didn't have discussions with stunningly beautiful women on my doorstep. If she just quietly came and went (like I do), I wouldn't know any of her business.

So, if you have a sexual things for milkweed plants, endulge yourself-just please don't wave it in my face and claim you need elite citizen status.

Why is it that homosexuals feel the need to get acceptance and approval? If they're comfortable with their sexuality then they really shouldn't need this evangelical drive to convince others that it's okay. I certainly don't need anyone else's approval for being heterosexual or for any relationships that I've had.

The OP points out that there are other threads on this topic. In fact, if one checks back through this forums, there are hundreds of threads on this topic and I don't think there's any angle that hasn't been considered. This one is as likely to come up with something new as one of the arguments about the existence of God.

Originally Posted by Baron

Why is it that homosexuals feel the need to get acceptance and approval? If they're comfortable with their sexuality then they really shouldn't need this evangelical drive to convince others that it's okay. I certainly don't need anyone else's approval for being heterosexual or for any relationships that I've had.

The OP points out that there are other threads on this topic. In fact, if one checks back through this forums, there are hundreds of threads on this topic and I don't think there's any angle that hasn't been considered. This one is as likely to come up with something new as one of the arguments about the existence of God.

So, was this the same with I don't know then Blacks?

I know it may be harsh to compare Black racism to Homosexual, however...what you're saying makes it sound lie no one should strive for the acceptance. For better quality of life.

Its human nature to want acceptance.

The measure that the acceptance of others is needed is the measure of the individual's own insecurity. There's a world of difference between tackling injustice and trying to impose acceptance of actions. My own relationship causes disapproval because there is a very big age difference between my wife and I. Is anyone else's approval or disapproval going to have any impact on our relationship? Not a bit. Do either if us care? No. We're confident and content enough not to worry about it.

Originally Posted by Baron

The measure that the acceptance of others is needed is the measure of the individual's own insecurity. There's a world of difference between tackling injustice and trying to impose acceptance of actions. My own relationship causes disapproval because there is a very big age difference between my wife and I. Is anyone else's approval or disapproval going to have any impact on our relationship? Not a bit. Do either if us care? No. We're confident and content enough not to worry about it.

But then there are people who want things even the straight members want.

-Marriage for one is a big topic amongst straight and gay.

Originally Posted by J.P.Clyde

But then there are people who want things even the straight members want.

-Marriage for one is a big topic amongst straight and gay.

This isn't a problem. We had gay friends at our wedding.