Thread: The Head of Every UK Politician

Burn at the stake or off with their heads, why not?

In the United States politicians in the Democratic Party ought face capital punishment too. And I'm no longer open to hearing about "fairness." It does not exist. In the face of that I'm comfortable with war.

UK bars U.S. pastor who threatened to burn Koran - Yahoo! News

LONDON (Reuters) – An American Christian preacher who caused global uproar by threatening to burn the Koran has been barred from visiting Britain, the British government said on Wednesday.

Sensation (art exhibition) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The opening of Sensation at the Royal Academy caused a public furore and a media frenzy, with both broadsheet and tabloid journalists falling over themselves to comment on the show’s controversial images, and unprecedented crowds queuing up to see for themselves what all the fuss was about.

Whilst I am no great supporter of politicians, keeping Terry Jones out was one of their better moves. I would rather see the heads roll of the unpleasant, racist, neo-fascists who invited him, though I am generally against the idea of capital punishment.

Edit: Though when I look at your art exhibition news I am reminded that people like Ms Hindley stretch my tolerance. D+++ed if I can see why the public should be paying for her keep, maybe some sort of controlled slavery?

What catches my eye in the article about the idiot preacher is his statement that the UK Government had violated his human rights, as though he has some 'right' to enter any country he wants, whether he is wanted there or not. You'll notice that someone from the Home Office set him straight.

While I wholeheartedly agree that Terry Jones is a pillock par excellence. I do not agree with keeping him out of the country on a number of points. We are fast becoming a society that is encroaching on the rights of people to express their views. When a minority who has full freedom to express their views,dictate to the majority that they may not express theirs, something has sadly gone very awry. Radical Islam is a real danger to today's society.A recent article in the Guardian established that 40% of Moslem people in the UK wish to see the introduction of Sharia law to non Moslem's living in there communities. They consider the system of governance in Saudi Arabia to be a model of moderate Islam. You are of course free to burn holy books in Saudi Arabia and other societies living under Sharia law as long as they are not Moslem holy books. I have long been an advocate of Amnesty International and I frequently campaign for those under death sentences in both Islamic and non Islamic countries. All Islamic countries carry the death sentence for crimes other than murder. I have just posted a few below.
Saudi law allows the death penalty for a number of crimes. Including for example:
Murder
Adultery
Rape
Sexual misconduct
Apostasy
Blasphemy
Homosexuality
Drug smuggling
Sedition
Prostitution
Witchcraft
Idolatry
I would also like to point out that there are surgeons working in the UK who's living in Saudi was surgically removing the limbs of thief's! If we allow these surgeons into our country to care for our loved ones how can we possibly deny access to Jones.

Originally Posted by Richard.E.Craig

I would also like to point out that there are surgeons working in the UK who's living in Saudi was surgically removing the limbs of thief's! If we allow these surgeons into our country to care for our loved ones how can we possibly deny access to Jones.

Wow. If that's true, provocative point.

Olly, a counter?

And while I know Saudi Arabia is what we in the West would regard as a very "conservative" nation at minimum... but what nation on earth executes people for "witchcraft" in the 21st century? Now that surprised me. I expected to hear something about that in some small, impoverished, insular, pagan tribe in Africa, not from an international player with sophistication and culture like Saudi Arabia.

It is disconcerting to think that Muslim influence in the UK and the US is growing. And that influence is to push the Sharia law on to non-Muslims. It should not be instituted. I am not a Muslim, why should I be expected to follow the laws of Islam? I am not Jewish and I am not expected or forced to follow the laws of Judaism, though I do to some degree (i.e. Ten Commandments).

The preacher wasn't so much an idiot for believing his human rights were somehow violated. He was being a moron. He wasn't being barred from traveling just from entering the UK. And entrance is at the discretion of a country's government. However, I believe that he is being punished for speaking his mind. Whether you agree with his extremist action or not ( I don't). Jones, to some degree, is being a made an example of to appease Muslims who were outraged by his irrationality. His actions should not represent all American or Christian thought. But, Jones may have done something else. He brought to the forefront a hypocrisy that appears to exists within extremist beliefs and to some degree within the mainstream. A hypocrisy that some choose to ignore. It's okay to speak out against Christianity, but speak out against Islam, and woe to the offender. Shame on you! Shame! How dare you speak your mind!

The UK's action toward Terry Jones raises these questions:

1.) Would the UK ban an extremist Imam for threatening to burn the Christian Bible say on Christmas or Easter?
2.) Would the ban occur if the threat was to burn the Torah on Passover?
3.) Are all those who threaten to burn the Bible or Torah banned just the same? Or is it only those who threaten to burn the Koran?

I have to wonder. Considering that an Islamic intellectual organization, Scholars of the Truth, in Johannesburg, South Africa successfully prevented Mohammed Vawda from burning Bibles in retaliation to Jones' attempt to burn the Koran. Should Mr. Vawda wish to visit the UK, will he be banned?

It is interesting how the US/UK governments and the media work to placate the extremist thought within Islam. It is interesting how it is okay push aside mainstream Christianity and Judaism, to give Israel the third degree over protecting their border--just take a look at the negative press it received during the Gaza flotilla incident. Israel was wrong? Wrong for defending its borders? Why is that okay and acceptable? But point out the abuse of Muslim women--a human rights violation--in Islamic societies as Theo Van Gogh did, and expect a violent death courtesy of an Muslim extremist.

So, why is it okay to poke fun at Christianity or Judaism, but not Islam? Why is okay point out contradictions in Christianity, but not in Islam? Why must governments and news media bend over like wet noodles and give in to extremist Islamic dissent?


The illustration points to a double standard. But, I believe it is fear. Fear of offending. Fear of dying.

Given that our laws are decided by an electoral democracy that 40% of a group that make about 2.5% of the total population want them changed is not a worry to me. When they start wanting to change them by non democratic means I am pretty sure the anti-terrorist squad will come down hard on them. Imams whose preaching is too extreme do find themselves excluded from this country unless they have some legal right to stay here, we don't make people stateless. Even they may find themselves subject to control orders, though I must admit I am not to happy about that, people should be guilty or not guilty.

I don't think it is as simple a thing as fear, there is a cultural gulf between Islam and Christianity historically in their attitude to war, The prophet led his soldiers in wars of conquest that were seen as gloriously spreading the word of God.
Their Byzantine opponents fought defensive wars, conquering territory to provide security, shamed by the blood on their hands and doing penance to receive absolution from a church that preached peace, converts were won by the martyrdom of saintly proselytisers.
The remnants (?) of these attitudes remain.