Thread: Abortion: Yes or No?

Lamperoux, ok, you are sixteen, I'll keep that in mind. The pain of childbirth is nothing to the responsibility of raising/providing for the child you brought into this life though. Michelle just made a point that reminds me of a movie I recently saw with an immigrant mother trying to survive in New York after her husband knocked her up again and abandoned her and his kids for good. Even if you think you know that there are resources to be had, imagine being in a country not your own and trying to feed the children you already have, and to sleep somewhere safe, as opposed to on cardboard boxes. The one's you have now and must provide for are the priority. It's a terrible choice to have to make and yeah, if you don't want to see it, step up and help. And make sure you can help the quiet one that does not know where to go that is safe, somewhere she won't be condemned or deported. Good luck. And by you, I mean the general you, not anyone in particular but mostly men, actually. Immaculate conception being pretty darn rare.

Originally Posted by Eluixa

Lamperoux, ok, you are sixteen, I'll keep that in mind. The pain of childbirth is nothing to the responsibility of raising/providing for the child you brought into this life though. Michelle just made a point that reminds me of a movie I recently saw with an immigrant mother trying to survive in New York after her husband knocked her up again and abandoned her and his kids for good. Even if you think you know that there are resources to be had, imagine being in a country not your own and trying to feed the children you already have, and to sleep somewhere safe, as opposed to on cardboard boxes. The one's you have now and must provide for are the priority. It's a terrible choice to have to make and yeah, if you don't want to see it, step up and help. And make sure you can help the quiet one that does not know where to go that is safe, somewhere she won't be condemned or deported. Good luck. And by you, I mean the general you, not anyone in particular but mostly men, actually. Immaculate conception being pretty darn rare.

i agree with what you say, but what does immaculate conception have to do with it?

Originally Posted by Lamperoux

i agree with what you say, but what does immaculate conception have to do with it?

Because immaculate conception may indicate a fetus born out of a high concentration of midichlorians. Aborting the most powerful Jedi in history would be a terrible mistake.

the immaculate conception was the conception of mary, not jesus. Mary was born by sexual relations between 2 people, so...

well jesus is too in my opinion, but in the religious context. ..

sry unknown, but i'm not a star wars fan, and so , i have no clue as to what a midichlorian is.

Originally Posted by CharlesVer

The Pro-Life Movement: Protecting Life all the way up until Birth!

I shake my head when I consider all the "Pro-Life" people who would be against providing a poor pregnant woman with good food and medical care, or the baby medical care after it's born.

Charlie

Touche, Charlie

well every pro-life 'intervention' i've been involved in, either i or another person has bee actively in contact with the mother, and our group provides financial assisstance when they need it.

Originally Posted by UnknownBearing

Because immaculate conception may indicate a fetus born out of a high concentration of midichlorians. Aborting the most powerful Jedi in history would be a terrible mistake.

This made me laugh out loud.

Lamperoux, what I meant about immaculate conception is that women and girls do not get pregnant on their own. This thread is full of men commenting, and these threads in the past have been the same. A woman carries the baby. A man fills her and can walk away. And so it is she that is put up for scrutiny, she that is harassed at the clinic, condemned. How many of these women/girls have a mans hand in theirs as they go to make the hardest decision of their lives? My guess is that if the man were there being a man, the abortion rate would drop far faster than it ever will with a law.

In the end, as a male, my opinion really doesn't account for anything in relation to Abortion.

It's not my body, so I don't get a choice. If I were the father of the baby, I still wouldn't have a say.

But the problem lies elsewhere if you ask me. I don't think, fundamentally, most people want to have an 'abortion', they just want to get rid of this entity in their womb that isn't yet a human being BEFORE it becomes a human beings.

Thereby, you have the ask yourself when the foetus becomes a person, or becomes life.

Is the foetus a life with potential, or a potential life?

Before you can even come to argue if Abortion is right or wrong you have to ask yourself this question, because if the foetus isn't alive, it isn't murder, and it isn't wrong. But if it is, then why isn't it an illegal offence?

Having read your post Tom, it occurred to me to wonder when the heartbeat starts, and I came upon this answer:
A question about our first heart beat? - SciForums.com
It would seem that the heartbeat is very much like the breaths you take, and is part and parcel of our nature, made possible by our DNA and what have you. The heart is a huge and important figure in mankind's history, often interchangeable with the notion of soul. However, it begins to beat before most women know they are pregnant, and would be a difficult line to draw therefore. In any case, I don't believe this matters. To me, what matters is when a soul becomes intertwined with life on earth, in the form of a fetus. In the post on paranormal, I said that we are soul embodied.
Abortion is seen through the eyes of your beliefs. I see a soul that will live whether the child makes it or not. I see a soul that will disentangle and move on. I think the devastation mothers face is by believing they have taken a life, and or, that they rejected the baby they would have had and never can again. Another baby may come, but they believe they have lost that one. I see it as a rejection, and the reason's for the rejection may be very valid, but are sometimes appear very thoughtless as well.
When does soul then claim it's body? Immediately would be my answer, and possibly just before, though I think the commitment grows with the baby.

Originally Posted by Eluixa

This made me laugh out loud.

Lamperoux, what I meant about immaculate conception is that women and girls do not get pregnant on their own. This thread is full of men commenting, and these threads in the past have been the same. A woman carries the baby. A man fills her and can walk away. And so it is she that is put up for scrutiny, she that is harassed at the clinic, condemned. How many of these women/girls have a mans hand in theirs as they go to make the hardest decision of their lives? My guess is that if the man were there being a man, the abortion rate would drop far faster than it ever will with a law.

well do you have a problem with me being a man and helping those women?

Originally Posted by Lamperoux

well do you have a problem with me being a man and helping those women?

None whatsoever. Men are needed, as I was saying.

well then, we've found common ground. lol