Thread: Everybody Draw Mohammad Day - offensive or justified?

International Law. Although this event occurred outside of Israel's Territorial Waters, it did occur within their EEZ, or Exclusive Economic Zone which reaches 200 Nautical Miles from a nation's coast.

Self declared. Doesn't mean I can declare a 4000 mile limit and go shoot anybody inside it.

That San Remo thing is preposterous. Medical supplies are not "contraband" and therefore breaching a blockade is not a crime.
Are you really saying that you can declare a blockade of ships, then jump people in international waters and shoot them up?
Like I say, tell the Somali pirates. They could do this easily.

They didn't "try to break the blockade". And can't be killed for intentions. They might have just announced that to get publicity and intended to actually stop outside Israeli waters to film and taunt and publicize.

For somebody getting all hot about cops stopping people without probable cause you seem pretty sanguine about a racist regime just declaring the right to board ships with drawn weapons and fire at anybody who resists.

Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu's statement "Israel is guilty until proven guilty" seems to be kind of true, not to let the facts stand in the way of anything.

No it's absurd. Israel gets away with anything they do. When have they not, from the moment they seized that country away from the previous residents?
They bomb schools and hospitals and there is always some asshole saying it's okay because the children who were killed would have just grown up to be Hezbollahs anyway.

And yeah, because they're Jews. Lifetime automatic moral high ground untouchable status.

They murder f**king children. That's enough for me. They do a lot more rogue state s**t, but murdering innocent children is kind of a deal breaker for me.

Originally Posted by Olly Buckle

One wonders if murder and piracy will affect attitudes toward Israel?

Under the influence of the BBC?

Originally Posted by lin

They murder fucking children. That's enough for me. They do a lot more rogue state shit, but murdering innocent children is kind of a deal breaker for me.

What are you talking about, are they rounded up kids? Targeting them with missiles?

1. Before the air strikes, Israeli planes dropped leaflets over Gaza warning people not to come within 300 metres of the border with Israel.

2. Security officials later issued statements warning that Israel would formally respond to the mortar attacks.

and 3. Israeli military officials have adopted a policy of responding to every attack on Israel.

Self declared.

No Lin, 200 nautical miles, the same for all nations. You're being too hasty in your reply.

Israelis blow up a LOT of children. More than anybody else. I don't care what their f**king excuses are or what sort of apologies people make for it.
You don't go around bombing schools and hospitals and shooting kids.

They're a rogue state, ripped off the land it sits on because of they said God gave it to them. (Twice) F**k them.

They came out to those ships to kill unarmed civilians. F**k them.

They are a lot worse than Iran or Korea, but they get away with it because of this kind of attitude.
You're tossing the "oh, they're Jews" thing into is specious. They are unassailable in the United States and the US spends millions to buy them weapons. F**k 'em.

BTW, you're right about the EEZ. I was referring to territorial limits, which any country can declare to be about anything they want.
I mistook what you said, since you were saying it gives the right to police and kill civilians within that zone.
It doesn't.

Bit clue "ECONOMIC zone" You might own the fish in it, but you don't get to sink somebody's ship if you don't like them.

and 3. Israeli military officials have adopted a policy of responding to every attack on Israel.

This the most sickening of your apologies for massacre.
It's okay to blow up a grade school because we said we'd "respond" to anybody attacking our soldiers"??????

You should think that over and be ashamed.

Lin, while I find such cases tragic, you seem to be forgetting that Hamas hold their own hosptials and so on hostage by firing rockets from them into Israel. I find that sick.

You could approach this in several ways. You could voice that it is wrong for anyone to make fun and ridicule any religious belief but that ignores the fact that it happens everyday even by people that generally support that statement (generally). But when you start looking at our rights, depending on where you live, but if you are entitled to a right of free speech then no one should be able to prevent you, otherwise that is them circumventing your right, preventing it, and placing you under their way of governing. I understand that islam radicals are very offended and could even draw blood for the images of Mohammed but on what basis. Please, direct me to the spot on the quran where it states no one should draw a cartoon bout Mohammad (not a strong point). Even if that tidbit was there, the fact that they don't respect other people's rights, espically those in a "free society" is an act of absurd rudness just like when someone ridicules another belief or anything else charish by others.

I live in America and I know that free speech is slowly fading it seems, but not by the hand of some people that aren't elected to do so. I don't care if they try to do harm to me, I wouldn't bow to their threats. But that's just me.

Check out the May edition of Deadman's Tome, it contains an article on this as well.

Originally Posted by lin

Israelis blow up a LOT of children. More than anybody else.

It wasn't Israelis who did this.

No. Could have been American Marines, who knows?
But Israel is WAY out in front on numbers. And, I think it's not unfair to say, deliberate intent.
When you bomb a school, you just have to figure.....

Lin, while I find such cases tragic, you seem to be forgetting thatHamas hold their own hosptials and so on hostage by firing rockets fromthem into Israel. I find that sick.

So?
So they're "sick" for hiding in a school...but it's not sick to drop a bomb on that school?
Get some perspective.

That's like saying a bank robber takes a hostage, the cops callously shoot the hostage, so it's the robber's fault.

Originally Posted by lin

No. Could have been American Marines, who knows?
But Israel is WAY out in front on numbers. And, I think it's not unfair to say, deliberate intent.
When you bomb a school, you just have to figure.....

If you total up American involvement in conflicts since WW2, Korea, Vietnam, leading up to the current conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq, I don't think Israeli figures even start to come close. I remember when images like this were so common on the front pages that people became desensitised to them.

No argument. And the world judged it harshly, and rightly so.
And you didn't see people running around saying, Those slopes had it coming". One of the reasons I address the Israel fiasco rather than going on about Africa or Korea or something is because it's also an American financed and inforced project.

And the reason I get angry about it is the knee-jerk defensiveness people exhibit towards Israel. (Along with the admiration for their bold, plucky, apartheit land grab based on their religious beliefs.
Same people, so frequently, that shit a brick at the idea of religion playing a part in their own governments don't seem to have any trouble with, "But of course they took over somebody else's country and killed or ejected the people there and moved their own people in....God said to."

That said, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an incident of the US bombing a school or hospital. That's kind of a different order, to me, or bombing a jungle or city.

Or maybe not. Probably more kids died in Nagasaki than..... etc.

But the thing is... I don't defend it. I think it sucks to butcher children. There's no excuse for it.
I don't see the Palestinians as any sort of "good guys". But I hate hearing people say that Israel is. They're a rogue, arrogant, theocratic, apartheit state.

It's rubbish to keep claiming that Israel has stolen the land from the Palestinians. The fact is that at the time of the Exodus Palestine, as it was then, was British and their administration there was recognised by the global community from 1917 through to 1948. It was the British who surrendered control to the Israelis.

I'm aware of that. And that the main reason was Israeli terrorism, such as blowing up a British barracks and burning Palestinian settlements.

Doesn't matter how they took possession. It wasn't theirs and the only reason they got it was because of their religious claims.

And it's caused IMMENSE problems ever since, right up to present day. Muslim terrorism would not be an issue but for Israel. That's hard to deny.

The Palestinians were ousted from the land they lived on. Undeniable.

A bunch of people from other countries took over because their religion said it was theirs.

Their only claim to it is Biblical, and the Biblical story indicates that their ORIGINAL occupation was as the result of what can only be descirbe as a holocaust or genocide that they say was ordered by their God.

I find it amazing that people support this.