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    (edit) P.S -- Maybe I should add a disclaimer, this post does contain sexual references if you are too young or don't want to read about that.

    Love is one of my pet hates when people define it or use it in a context that makes it a seperate "force". As if Love is an entity that floats around and affects us. Some seem to believe love is supernatural.

    Well, here is a scientific (well for the most part - I am no scientist ) explanation of love.

    It is just copy/paste of articles you can find by Googling "Science of Love".

    As you will read, love is real, and is explainable by science.

    I originally posted this on another forum, but I thought it was relevant and had/have no intention of trolling -- hopefully this sparks further discussion.


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    Helen Fisher of Rutgers University proposes there are 3 stages to love.

    Lust, Attraction and Attachment.

    Stage 1 or Lust, is driven by sex hormones. Testosterone and Oestrogen. When in lust, their levels are increased.

    Stage 2 or Attraction, is a combination of 3 different chemicals: Adrenaline, Dopamine and Seratonin.

    Stage 3 or Attachment, may be a combination of two different hormones; Oxytocin and Vasopressin.

    Quoted from Helen Fisher:

    Adrenaline
    The initial stages of falling for someone activates your stress response, increasing your blood levels of adrenalin and cortisol. This has the charming effect that when you unexpectedly bump into your new love, you start to sweat, your heart races and your mouth goes dry.

    Dopamine
    Helen Fisher asked newly ‘love struck’ couples to have their brains examined and discovered they have high levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine. This chemical stimulates ‘desire and reward’ by triggering an intense rush of pleasure. It has the same effect on the brain as taking cocaine!

    Fisher suggests “couples often show the signs of surging dopamine: increased energy, less need for sleep or food, focused attention and exquisite delight in smallest details of this novel relationship” .


    Serotonin
    And finally, serotonin. One of love's most important chemicals that may explain why when you’re falling in love, your new lover keeps popping into your thoughts.

    Oxytocin
    Oxytocin is a powerful hormone released by men and women during orgasm.

    It probably deepens the feelings of attachment and makes couples feel much closer to one another after they have had sex. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes.

    Oxytocin also seems to help cement the strong bond between mum and baby and is released during childbirth. It is also responsible for a mum’s breast automatically releasing milk at the mere sight or sound of her young baby.

    Diane Witt, assistant professor of psychology from New York has showed that if you block the natural release of oxytocin in sheep and rats, they reject their own young.

    Conversely, injecting oxytocin into female rats who’ve never had sex, caused them to fawn over another female’s young, nuzzling the pups and protecting them as if they were their own.



    Vasopressin
    Vasopressin is another important hormone in the long-term commitment stage and is released after sex.

    Vasopressin (also called anti-diuretic hormone) works with your kidneys to control thirst. Its potential role in long-term relationships was discovered when scientists looked at the prairie vole.

    Prairie voles indulge in far more sex than is strictly necessary for the purposes of reproduction. They also – like humans - form fairly stable pair-bonds.

    When male prairie voles were given a drug that suppresses the effect of vasopressin, the bond with their partner deteriorated immediately as they lost their devotion and failed to protect their partner from new suitors.
    Read it all here: The science of love


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    Oxytocin, chemical addiction and the science of love

    Lust, of course, involves a craving for sex. Jim Pfaus, a psychologist at Concordia University, in Montreal, says the aftermath of lustful sex is similar to the state induced by taking opiates. A heady mix of chemical changes occurs, including increases in the levels of serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin and endogenous opioids (the body's natural equivalent of heroin). “This may serve many functions, to relax the body, induce pleasure and satiety, and perhaps induce bonding to the very features that one has just experienced all this with”, says Dr Pfaus.


    So there you have it, that is love and it is real. It might make it a little less romantic than some people would like to think, but personally the fact that this all goes on inside our heads and bodies without us even being aware of it is just as (and even more) amazing than thinking it is anything else.

    Our bodies rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Poole View Post




    (edit) P.S -- Maybe I should add a disclaimer, this post does contain sexual references if you are too young or don't want to read about that.

    Love is one of my pet hates when people define it or use it in a context that makes it a seperate "force". As if Love is an entity that floats around and affects us. Some seem to believe love is supernatural.

    Well, here is a scientific (well for the most part - I am no scientist ) explanation of love.

    It is just copy/paste of articles you can find by Googling "Science of Love".

    As you will read, love is real, and is explainable by science.

    I originally posted this on another forum, but I thought it was relevant and had/have no intention of trolling -- hopefully this sparks further discussion.


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    Helen Fisher of Rutgers University proposes there are 3 stages to love.

    Lust, Attraction and Attachment.

    Stage 1 or Lust, is driven by sex hormones. Testosterone and Oestrogen. When in lust, their levels are increased.

    Stage 2 or Attraction, is a combination of 3 different chemicals: Adrenaline, Dopamine and Seratonin.

    Stage 3 or Attachment, may be a combination of two different hormones; Oxytocin and Vasopressin.

    Quoted from Helen Fisher:



    Read it all here: The science of love


    Another source:

    Oxytocin, chemical addiction and the science of love





    So there you have it, that is love and it is real. It might make it a little less romantic than some people would like to think, but personally the fact that this all goes on inside our heads and bodies without us even being aware of it is just as (and even more) amazing than thinking it is anything else.

    Our bodies rule.
    This is all a gross over-generalisation.

    Many people go through all the stages of lust (use your imagination!) without ever falling in love. Yet according to you, one thing leads to another - in this case, sex leads to bonding, and bonding means love.

    Phooey.

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    According to me? I'm sorry - but however much I would like to have the education and capacity to author my own studies on neurobiology, I don't and I haven't. According to me, this is what other, more well trained minds have to say on love.

    I have not suggested nor hinted that one thing leads to another - In fact it is all quote from my introduction to conclusion. I did paraphrase her research for the benefit of forums but I would have assumed, as it written and explained in further detail on their respective links here and here, that it was clear you can stop at any Stage.

    When you lust after someone, it releases chemicals in your body - which, after prolonged or high doses can lead to the production or increased production of the next Stage of hormones/chemicals.

    But have a one night stand and never release those chemicals again for that individual and you would assume you wouldn't reach Stage 2! Unless, perhaps, if it was extraordinarily good
    Edit this post.

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    It's prairie voles all the way down...
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    I believe fully in the 'science of love.'
    I also believe that one can make choices to be with their partner, even after the chemicals run dry.
    Together = Love?

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    Jaime, don't quote science you don't understand. Just a tip.

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    Has anyone watched Sex, Lies, and Videotape? At one point the main actress states:

    They say that men learn to love the women they are attracted to. And women learn to be attracted to the men they love.
    But love is, well, I can't say quantifiable, but can been distinguished from any other emotion though science. I have heard of a study where they took people that were married for like thirty years and monitored their brain activity while they showed them pictures of their spouses, and there was a noticeable difference in activity, and different from just recognizing someone you know or family. Romantic love is unique.

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    Yes!!!...every time I fall into it...head first.

    Seriously, I think romantic love is real. Any emotion that can cause a person to believe they are walking on clouds, smile over a simple "Hello", pack up and move over 100 miles from home, has to be real.
    ~Robin~

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    Well, what do you mean by "real" first? is it something you can touch and make sure it exist?? if so, love doesn't exist.

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    What chimchimski (awesome name btw haha) means by real. Is that it's there. It exists. Just because something is there doesn't mean you can see it, touch it or whatever.

    I'm sorry if what I say sounds stupid. But here it goes!

    A thought is the same thing as love...in a way. A thought is there. It exists. You can't touch a thought. Or see a thought. Or hear a thought. But it's there. And if something is there. It exists.

    I don't think I'm making any sense so I'll stop now before I look dumb haha

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    Actually, nothing is real; everything is just rearranged nothing... honestly.
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    Wait what ?

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    What I meant is that we recognize our world because it has shapes that can be sensed through the material senses we are born with. I know that abstract things do exist, and since they are abstract they are not recognized in the world we know, but still believed in or hoped they exist.

    My point is that the definition of love we have is usually a definition that enhances the need to the other (girlfriend,wife, lover,...) and assumes that oneself is nothing unless it is complemented by another oneself.

    I disagree with this version, because it converts Love (as an abstract) into an instinctive emotion that has an end -orgasm- that reaches and then it fades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Jalapeno View Post
    What chimchimski (awesome name btw haha) means by real. Is that it's there. It exists. Just because something is there doesn't mean you can see it, touch it or whatever.

    I'm sorry if what I say sounds stupid. But here it goes!

    A thought is the same thing as love...in a way. A thought is there. It exists. You can't touch a thought. Or see a thought. Or hear a thought. But it's there. And if something is there. It exists.

    I don't think I'm making any sense so I'll stop now before I look dumb haha
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    repeated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Jalapeno View Post
    Wait what ?
    Lol.
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