Bird Evolution.... - Writers Forum

Creator · 04-09-2007, 02:11 AM

Hi I am writing a fic based on what if birds were allowed to evolve into monster-like creature kinda fic....

Synopsis:

Basically I am still working on the plot, but it's simple. People got onto an island, accidental or on purpose. They meet the highly evolved creatures on the island and get some "pecking". Then they have to get off the island.

But I am not going to make this fic like the Lost Tv series but I want to emphasize that with or without WWF protection all creatures, newly discovered or unknown, all creatures have the right not to be become extinct by the hands of Man.

mammamaia · 04-09-2007, 06:02 PM

are you asking for opinions/help here, or what?...

Creator · 04-11-2007, 07:53 AM

Yes... I am humbly asking for opinions on my tale.... even though this is a just a synopsis.

Basically, I just feel that birds can be something more than just food birds and pets. Basically this tale emphasizes more on alternative evolution on an island. And also I will address certain issues in the world...

Overhunting
Human effects on the environment
Ex-criminal discrimination

And yes I believe you guys can help me with the story writing process, which I am a very 'green' greenhorn.

Like say how should I start. And how to plan a story..... and add humor and suspense.

Finally,mammamaia, I like that saying from Gandhi regarding changing the world. it's prevalent in other of my tales.

mammamaia · 04-11-2007, 06:13 PM

glad to hear you share my respect for gandhi's adjuration...

in re your 'tale'... it isn't one yet... there isn't enough there to judge whether it will make a good, marketable story/novel or not... when you come up with a plot, ask again...

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Like say how should I start. And how to plan a story..... and add humor and suspense.

no one can tell you these things... they're individual choices all writers have to make on their own, as there are simply too many options... if you have to ask for help with these bottom line basics of writing, then it sounds like you haven't done enough reading... that's the way we learn how it's done...

so, i suggest you spend a good amount of time reading the type of story/book you want to write... stick to the best works of the very best writers [not the most popular], so you'll learn what works best...

if you email me, i'll be glad to send you an exercise i did up for writers who have trouble 'getting their story straight,' so to speak...

love and hugs, maia
maia3maia@hotmail.com

Amber Leaf · 04-11-2007, 06:53 PM

maybe put more focus on the characters and why we should think they are more interesting than other characters in this kind of genre.

Creator · 04-11-2007, 08:45 PM

OH I understand now..... ok.... I have made notes on different ways to start this tale.....

Ok... after hours of pondering..... This is what I just came up.... I just located a blank spot on Google Earth to see where the island would be....

It would be a great help if anyone here can tell me where would be the best place to put my island. Somewhere remote and no ship has ever gone.....

I will come up with a plot on the weekend but the location will affect the outcome...

tearsstream · 04-12-2007, 12:27 AM

Um...ships have been a lot of places, except toward the north and south poles where the ice becomes too thick to travel through, although I think ice-breaker ships can go nearly anywhere...anyways, I agree a good deal with mammamaia; you need to get something out...some little excerpt and post it up here so that we can gauge your writing style and really see where you want to take this. In any event, I tend to be moderate in most of my political, environmental, etc. views, but I'm all for someone who wants to protect the earth through a more creative means. Good job.

mammamaia · 04-12-2007, 08:06 PM

looks like you're locating your story in my part of the world!

Cran · 04-13-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Creator

Hi I am writing a fic based on what if birds were allowed to evolve into monster-like creature kinda fic....

I am humbly asking for opinions on my tale.... even though this is a just a synopsis.

Basically, I just feel that birds can be something more than just food birds and pets. Basically this tale emphasizes more on alternative evolution on an island. And also I will address certain issues in the world...

Creator, what you describe here is devolution (reverse evolution) ...

modern birds evolved from monster-like creatures ...
direct descendants of some Cretaceous dinosaurs ...
they reached their size and mass peak during the Palaeocene/Eocene transition, at which time they were the "top of the food chain" - the largest predators ...
the speciation of mammals, and changing environments, which defines the Eocene led to the extinction of some bird species and the size/mass reduction and evolution of others ...

Your isolated island, therefore, would be a sort of "Palaeogene Park" ...

Edited to add: Locating your island might be problematic ... the thing about remote and isolated places is that they tend to draw people ... the best place to "hide" an island without resorting to magic or cloaking technology would be within a largely uninhabited (perhaps volcanic?) archipelago ... there are some around the world with hundreds or even thousands of small islands, constantly changing currents and drifting (unconsolidated) islands ... too unstable for most cultures, simple fishing and farming communities on nearby islands (who would likely make their own taboos about the "gods/demons" on your island) would be a potential source of rumours, victims, supplies etc ... and the tectonic instabilities could provide some dramatic scenes (newly emerging volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis) ...

Creator · 04-13-2007, 06:59 AM

Yes My tale is called The Bird Sanctuary

There are many ways apart from turning birds back into dinosaurs to create monsters. The Word monster has many definitions, a predator who is pin-sized, dog-size or human size can be just as terrifying as a Jurassic Park Dino.

Many before have mentioned that this is a Jurassic Park rip off and this is the biggest headache since my former concept was dinosaur based as I was Michael Crichton fan.

But then a character in JP 3 mentioned something that led me to shake off the Jurassic Park factor for good.

"Dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago; and what's left of them are fossils in the ground. What John Hammond did was created genetically modified theme park monsters!"

Dr. Alan Grant

Thus I decided that I will not be be remaking dinosaurs but rather I am reactivating the lost genes in modern birds and unleash their true evolutionary potentials. I am going to make it fantasy but at the same still possible with the real gene combinations or mutations of current genes. So it's Nature not Nurture that created my Birds of Prey.

And yes my Bird Sanctuary Islands is actually based on the legend of Hawaiiki, the rumored ancestral birth place some of the Pacific aborigine tribes in Hawaii, New Zealand.etc. But I will elaborate slowly as people like you ,Cran help a bit.. while my imagination does the rest....

and also I decide to delicate this to Steve Irwin, Jane Goodall and many other environmentalists trying to preserve the species dying and thriving.

And you will see why Steve Irwin fears macaws..... bwa ha ha ah ha

Yes thank you very much for your advice....

mammamaia · 04-13-2007, 05:28 PM

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And you will see why Steve Irwin fears macaws

...sorry to say, he's beyond fearing anything!... did you not know he was done in by a manta ray last year?... so much for his fear of birds...

mammamaia · 04-13-2007, 07:05 PM

t rex and chickens are family!

you might find this useful:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...eut/index.html

Creator · 04-13-2007, 08:51 PM

Yah.... but it was a stingray not a Manta Ray.......

here's an extract from his biography

"Born in the Melbourne area, Steve Irwin moved with his parents as a child to Queensland. His parents, Bob and Lyn, ran the small Queensland Reptile and Fauna Park, where Steve grew up around crocodiles and other reptiles. He became a crocodile trapper, removing crocodiles from near populated areas, performing the service for free with the quid pro quo that he kept them for the park. As a child, he had a negative encounter with a macaw, and still retains some fear of parrots."

And yes I decided to make the Three Gorges Dam the rosetta stone for the emotional struggle among the characters in the story which affect how they view the Bird Sanctuary....

mammamaia · 04-14-2007, 06:33 PM

ok, so i goofed on the ray bit... but he is 'gone' and thus 'fears' nothing, right?...

Creator · 04-14-2007, 09:27 PM

Hey if make the male and female protagonist and the antagonist have emotional struggles that actually lead to the same thing. Will this work?