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Old 04-08-2007, 01:58 AM   #1
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Ah, Dialogue...Help? *LANGUAGE*

Hey, everyone Basically, I have a bunch of dialogue here and I'd like it to sound natural--I don't want it to seem forced. Does it flow well? If not, suggestions? Oh, and its a little long. Feel free to skim. Thank you.

Morgan stood staring at me. I could tell I’d startled him. Next to him was the car. It looked very old.

“Hi,” he said, very quietly.

“Hi,” I answered.

After a sickeningly long pause he said, “You’re the kid from the window.”

“Josh Campbell,” was all I could say. He looked like Thomas, and I was having trouble speaking all of the sudden.

“Josh, yeah, sorry.”

We were nearly whispering.

I shook myself from the resemblance. This was not Thomas. I said: “Tara sort of dumped me off here. Sorry to surprise you.”

He laughed a little and smiled crookedly. “Yeah, she’s kinda flaky.”

“Sorry,” I said again. “I told her I though you would want to be alone. I said I didn’t want to bother you.” I hadn’t said any of this to Tara, and felt bad for making her sound even worse.

“It’s no problem,” he said. “I’m just—I’m not very good a making friends, so if you could help me with that, then…”

He trailed off, looking me dead in the eyes, which he didn’t seem afraid to do. I liked something about that. And he had just implied that we could be friends, which excited me.

Morgan’s clothes were dirty, and his face was blotched with oil and grease. His hair was long enough to me mussed properly, and light enough to contrast well with his face, which was tanned and freckled from the sun. His nose was abbreviated, his mouth slender, and his strong jawbones complemented his whole visage. He looked intrepid and weathered, like he’d seen a lot of things, and he probably had…or at least felt a lot of things, which was just a significant. And he still looked like Thomas, but not as much as he had before.

“So here it is,” I said, motioning toward the car.

“Yeah, it’s a disaster,” he replied modestly.

“No, I love it,” I said, with more enthusiasm than I had intended.

He smiled.

I walked over to it and took a better look. I knew only a marginal amount about cars, but I could read the badges. “A Toyota 4Runner. There’s a newer one around here, right?”

“Yeah,” he said, beaming. “That one’s a 2018 or so. Nice car.”

“What’s this one?” I asked.

He laughed shyly. “A 1994.”

“Wow,” I said. The car was thirty years old, and it kind of looked like it, but I didn’t tell him that. Instead I asked, “Does it work?”

“No,” he said quickly. “But it did awhile ago. The engine’s alright; there’s just a lot of shit I’ve got to drain out of it. And I’ve got quite few replacement belts and hoses. And the timing belt’s actually fine.”

“Awesome,” I said, pretending I knew what that meant.

“I think its been rebuilt before, but anyways, hell of an old V6.”

I nodded.

“I haven’t said this much to anybody in a long time.”

“Oh,” I said, fishing for a response. “Oh, well, I suppose it’s easier if you’re talking about something you’re interested in.”

“Yeah, I guess,” he said.

I circled the 4Runner, and Morgan followed me anxiously. Rust had eaten through the fenders in several places leaving gaping holes through which I could see the tires. He had all the windows down and I looked in at the disheveled interior. It actually wasn’t all that bad. The seats were well-worn but not torn in too many places. It was blue but the paint had cracked and faded and chipped off in some areas. I had an odd sense of intense appreciation for the thing. It was bizarrely beautiful, in a way I couldn’t even begin to articulate. I grinned and looked at Morgan.

He smiled his biggest smile yet.

“I named it—” he paused coyly and finished, “I named it Amory. Its out of this old book.”

“Fitzgerald. This Side of Paradise, right?”

“How did you know that?”

I blushed. “My sister read it, actually, but I glanced through it. I think I got lucky on that one.” After a time I said, “I want to help you.”

“With this?” he asked, genuinely amazed.

I said this half-without-thinking, meaning I said exactly what I had wanted to say. “Yeah…I mean, if I won’t be in the way—”

“You won’t be in the way,” he said quickly. “So if you really want to, you can.”

“I do,” I said, without being very sure. What I really wanted to do was get to know Morgan, and I might’ve been shyer but I could sense that perhaps he wanted to get to know me too. He confirmed this by saying, “Well, I’m done with this for awhile. Let’s do something else.”

The small door in the corner of the garage banged open. “Morgan? I wanted to see the car before we left…”

We walked out from behind the 4Runner and met with Tara and Michael. “We’re leaving?” I asked, trying to inject a subtle amount of disappointment.

“Well, I thought you might want to go to the market and spend Michael’s stamps with us.”

“What about Morgan?”

Morgan laughed nervously and said, “No thanks,” and I quickly realized that this was just the way things were.

I looked over at Morgan and our eyes locked. I could clearly see that he didn’t want me to go. So I said, “I’ll stay here, if it’s okay,” and he smiled.

“Good, well, I’m glad you guys have made friends. So Morgan, my God, look at it. Its…”

“It’s old, I know,” Morgan mumbled.

“Yeah, but its cool,” she said. “It’s going to take us places, right?”

“Should.”

“Awesome. Well, we’re going to get going, so we’ll see you guys.”

We said our goodbyes and they were gone. I looked over at Morgan and he smiled again, and I wondered whether he would say anything about me choosing to stay. He didn’t.

“I’m pretty tired,” Morgan finally said, “so I’m not much good for anything fun.”

“I don’t know what we’d do anyways,” I said.

“Yeah, well…” he hesitated, “…I like to cross the wall and walk the highway a ways.”

I was surprised to hear that you could cross the wall. I had built up for myself this foreboding image of it—as if you weren’t allowed to leave for anything. I told Morgan this and he smiled.

“I thought that too. No, it’s really just a pipeline. And it connects one town to another. You can cross it all you want. What you have to be careful about is the highway. It gets kind of busy and the vehicles go fast…and the dust gets so bad you can’t see when one’s coming.

“Sounds like fun.”

“Mmhmm,” he said distantly.

We stood leaning against the 4Runner, side by side, and I tried to imagine what was going through Morgan’s mind. Everything Tara told me about him had frightened me, but all of that had gone now. Morgan had chosen to act differently with me than he had with everybody else. I didn’t know why but I wasn’t about to let it go. I felt the rusted chrome of the door handle and watched it mostly gleam between my fingers, reflecting the dim white light from overhead.

“There aren’t any windows in here,” I said.

“No,” he answered very quietly, “garages don’t usually have windows.”

I pulled up on the handle and the door popped open.

“Get in,” said Morgan.

I did, climbing into the old, weathered seat and as I shut the door I watched Morgan walk slowly around the front and slip carefully into the driver’s seat next to me. We stared out through the windshield together.

“Well, if you’re tired, then why don’t we just talk?” I turned to him but he just kept staring out the windshield. I quickly began to feel like I was being too hasty.

But then he said, “What made you want to talk to me at the window?”

His question was abrupt, but I think anything he’d said would’ve sounded abrupt. “Honestly? You reminded me of a friend I had once.”

He seemed disappointed, but there was nothing I could think of to say that would console him.

“Do I still?”

“Kind of,” I said, “but you act different from him. It’s your looks, I guess, that reminded me of him.”

“Really?” He grinned. “Like what?”

“His hair was always long and light. And your face, I guess.”

“Oh.” He frowned. “So he’s gone, I take it.”

“Yeah…yeah, the virus…it got him kind of early.”

It would have been customary for him to say “My condolences” at this point, but he didn’t, and I didn’t care. It was, in a sense, more genuine and comforting for him to say nothing at all. He looked very sad now.

“Its—God. Its really…” He looked away from me and out the open window behind him. Towards the blank wall of the garage, he said, “It hard, sometimes.”

“Yeah,” I said automatically. I didn’t how to approach this. It seemed like he wanted to talk about the attack, but he was a full-loss and I didn’t have any idea what to expect.

“This is just…weird I guess,” he said, turning back to me.

“What?” I asked.

“I don’t know you. I think I always thought when I was ready to talk to someone it would be someone I’d known for a long time.”

I turned away. “I don’t know how it’s supposed to work. I don’t know what you should do. But I know what you mean, I guess. Just…just don’t say anything you don’t want to say to me.” I sat and stared at him, my elbow resting on the cracked and worn console between the seats. I considered what I had just said.

“Fuck it,” he said shortly. “I guess I can do what I want. What if—” he paused, looking very frustrated with himself. “What if I want to tell you everything?”

I didn’t want to wait long to answer him. I said: “I think everybody wants to tell somebody their secrets and problems and stuff. I think humans…I don’t think they can stand to…to keep it all in, you know?” I did think this way, but had never expected myself to verbally explain it to someone.

“Yeah. Yeah, I don’t like to think like that.”

“Why not?”

“I don’t know!” Morgan froze and looked surprised at how he’d raised his voice. “Fuck. I don’t know. Because I didn’t want to tell anyone about my life…for a really long time. But now I can’t handle not telling anyone. You’re right. You’re absolutely right.”

“I don’t know if I am.”

“Bullshit you don’t know. Don’t you get it? I feel exactly like what you were talking about.”

I couldn’t think of anything to say. Suddenly I felt the seat under me and smelled the dusty interior of the car. I stared at Morgan, his face still fresh and unfamiliar, no matter how much he resembled Thomas, and I realized fully the bizarre nature of the situation; I had now truly known Morgan for perhaps half-an-hour and he seemed ready to divulge his life story.

And appropriately, he said, “I don’t know why I want to tell you. I don’t know what it is about you.”
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:37 PM   #2
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...anyone?
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:59 PM   #3
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It would really help if SOMEONE left some feedback...
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:44 AM   #4
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Be patient for replies here, anyway, here it goes.

With the first one I see the majority of mistakes:

“Hi,” he said, very quietly. ----> The "very quietly" part is unnecessary and ugly. Try to convey the tone and volume with something else.

“Hi,” I answered.
----> don't use "answered", it doesn't tell us anythng we didn't already know, just use said.

Moving on.

After a sickeningly long pause he said, “You’re the kid from the window.” ----> this is pretty good on it's own.

“Josh Campbell,” was all I could say. He looked like Thomas, and I was having trouble speaking all of the sudden. ----> Other than the fact that I don't know who Thomas is I think this works pretty well.

“Josh, yeah, sorry.” ----> Good, don't always use a tag.

We were nearly whispering. ----> Lose this line, it breaks up the flow, try to integrate the description intot the dialog tags or use punctuation such as commas, or, more rarely, ellipsis to convey this tone and volume.

I shook myself from the resemblance. This was not Thomas. I said: “Tara sort of dumped me off here. Sorry to surprise you.”
----> Not bad, this paragraph, but it's ruined if the previous one goes before it (pacing).

Anyway, it's pretty long so that's all I'm doing for now. Hope this helped at least a little.
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I would suggest melding some action into your dialogue. People don't generally stand their like wooden dummy's and chit-chat. Though I have been accused of being as such time to time. Anyhoot, that is what could give it more of a "natural feel", if ya feel me?

Example, yay:

"Do you like it?"

"Yeah, seems OK," he shrugged lightly before going on, "but I'm looking for something more sporty, ya know? I mean if I am going to be seen in this thing, I want to look good. Ask yourself, would you want to be seen in a ford, whatever the hell this is?" The customer let out a sigh, sticking his hands back into his pockets unconsciously accenting his boredom with the car. The two had been at this for well over an hour now, with the customer gravitating to the cars he couldn't afford after being shown what he could.

Kids these days.

The salesman gave a slow, almost sagely nod (it payed to be a bit of a thespian in this job) as though he hadn't heard that exact response before. After a few moments of pretending to digest what the customer said, he straightened out his tie and pulled on his ear-to-ear smile he was famous for. "Well, customers always right," he gave something of a sheepish smile wishing this would end already, "we've got all day buddy and hundreds of cars to show." He almost visibly grimaced at the word hundreds.

Damn, why couldn't I be the one showing that blond around the lot. That bastard Larry, he always has the luck.

These are somewhat long examples, but I feel they make people more "real if you know what I mean? Yet still, even is fast dialogue it pays at some point to interject some kind of motion. Now I don't mean every time, but now and again it's a good idea. You'd obvious replace all the "he and she" kind of stuff with proper identifiers -- if needed at all. It isn't a good idea, might I add, to always have he said she said stuff.

Fast examples?:

She smiled, idly curling an errant lock of hair with a finger."Yeah, I know Idiom is the hottest!"

He flicked his eyes at her, giving something of a snort as his features soured. "I know, I think he is the hottest too. No need to rub it in."

She gave a quick tug at her belt, loosing it, her pants falling to a nice bunch around her ankles. "I just want to have his babies!"

A finger quickly wiped a forming tear in his eye, "I do too, but god damn it I can't because we're both men! Damn you, biology! Damn you!"

Again, you don't have to put a motion in every sentence. But time to time to further sketch the scene onto a more natural mural you will need to have them there. So, I hope that helps and that I didn't babble too much.

=cough= I take freedom from spelling mistakes and such (if any) cause I just typed this out of boredom. So nyaH!

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What happens when characters babble too much?
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What happens when characters babble too much?
I know thats a pretty straight forward question, but what exactly to you mean?
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The dialogue seems only slightly forced because of your characters constant talking. If you put more action between your words it'll seem more realistic. Oh, and the hints which Idiom gave. Those are also useful (VerY). Oh, and try to build more of an atmosphere. I kinda skimmed through parts here and there, and read most of the beggining... but I'm still a little confused where its at. Oh, and, include a better hook. That thomas thing was pretty interesting, but starting out with two shy characters having a shy conversation isn't that "hooking". Overall, to answer your dialogue question.... Its realistic, but it could be more realistic =).
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Thanks, everyone. This is all really useful. I just got to a part in the story where Morgan and Josh have to actually TALK, and realized I didn't know what I was doing. I'd love more comments if anyone has time; I'm also wondering this: taking into account that this is in the context of a larger story...is it interesting? I guess that's kind of a subjective question, but I was just wondering. I've been working on this thing for awhile now and will be posting up a few more complicated portions like this as I write. Its awesome that this community actually exists. You guys are all very helpful. Thanks again.
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The dialogue seems only slightly forced because of your characters constant talking. If you put more action between your words it'll seem more realistic.
Worldboy answered it and I was just curious too.
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I think that your dialogue really helps to characterize Morgan. At the start of the piece, it was very easy to tell that Morgan was socially clumsy, as evidenced by his short and abrupt sentences. I think that you could take this idea one step further by having Morgan accidentally start speaking at the exact same time as Josh. I am sure most of us have had this happen at some point or another during an awkward conversation with a new acquaintance. If this occurred right before Morgan said

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I’m just—I’m not very good a making friends, so if you could help me with that, then…


It would definitely reinforce the idea that he is socially clumsy.

As Morgan gets used to talking with Josh, It was very interesting to see how he started to overcome his awkwardness, as evidenced by the passage about his car:

[quote] The engine’s alright; there’s just a lot of shit I’ve got to drain out of it. And I’ve got quite few replacement belts and hoses. And the timing belt’s actually fine. [QUOTE/]

I think you should expand this, and make him go into great detail about how the manifold intake valve seals keep cracking, ect. Once he has said a nice long piece, you could then have him act very surprised and say
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I haven’t said this much to anybody in a long time.


The dialogue stays consistent in characterizing Morgan throughout the entire piece, as evidenced by his relapse into shyness when Tara and Michael invite him to go to the market.

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Morgan laughed nervously and said, “No thanks,”


This relapse could be emphasized if he awkwardly tripped and knocked over a box of tools as he said this.

I think that if you looked for more places to characterize Morgan and Josh with your dialogue (like those shown above), they would become more life like and sound more believable.
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Thanks again for the comments. I will definitely focus on breaking up the dialogue a bit with some action in between.
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Good comments on here..

These have helped me too, as dialogue is a real sticking point for me and sometimes makes me nervous when I come to write it! The point about using action to break it up is a great one.

One other thing I noticed, tears, is that when you use a dialogue tag it is very often I "said" or he "said" over and over. I would suggest trying to mix these up with some others - or as dweller noted dropping them altogether - and using other descriptive leads into who is speaking.
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Just to note too..

that overall I think the whole extract is really pretty good in its use of dialogue and gets better as it goes along...
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