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Old 06-28-2004, 10:08 PM   #1
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Wanting to learn about screen plays.

I know among you lovely people there are ones that are experts or at least experienced in the writing of screen plays. So please be so kind as to give me a few moments.

I'm quite curious about them at the moment. I've imagined scenes for movies in my head, but never written anything serious. Lately I've begun to pay alot of attention if a TV show or movie catches my attention in a literary way; I try to notice how they set the mood, contrast in the stories, facial expressions that tell the story, etc. I have certain shows that I greatly admire for their writing.

What exactly goes into such productions? What parts specifically is the screen writer responsible for?

I jotted something down this evening that I imagined for an opening scene of...I don't know what yet. I want to know things like, do you pause in the middle of the dialogue to note how the subject is talking/reacting around the camera? I know it's important to note who, what, and where the angle is focusing.

Has anyone recently submitted something in this category so I see a written example?

Thanks so much. Hope this was understandable.

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Old 06-28-2004, 11:23 PM   #2
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I read a lot of screenplays in my spare time. I wish I could help you with the expert stuff, but being inexperianced myself, (only one screenplay and a really sloppy storyboard, and the screenplay was more of an excersise) I can at least recomend where to look.

William Goldman (the guy behind The Princess Bride) has written a number of books on Screenplays, and the movie industry. I strongly recomend these books. Even if you aren't serious about jumping into the movie or t.v business, there good reads, and have excellent advice.

http://sfy.ru/

A good website for reading lots of movie screenplays. I love reading them in my spare time. Particularly interesting is thier screenplay for the second matrix film. I think it's begining half is better than the movie that really came out. You'll notice that this site has draft versions of screenplays, for a realy good look at how things evolve before filming, I'd recomend the Minority Report screenplays. (this, assuming you've seen the movie, reading a screenplay doesn't just give away plot points, for me, it feels like I've seen a movie 5 or 6 times, and sometimes I like the version in my head better than the real thing)
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Old 07-01-2004, 02:19 PM   #3
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Thanks very much Vixen. I looked at the site; very interesting. I had no idea you could find those on the internet!

Maybe I'll google for more resources, and I'll look into those books.

If anyone has anything to add I would still appreciate it.

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Old 07-01-2004, 02:29 PM   #4
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I haven't read found time to read them yet, but writingforums' sister site www.Lit.org has a couple of scripts in list of recent entries that you may find interesting. I think they may be stage plays rather than screenplays (...possibly?), but the format should be similar.

There's at least one of them still on the Lit.org front page, but you might find it easier just to jump straight to the scripts category there, as there's quite a few older ones in there too - www.lit.org/category/36.

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Old 07-01-2004, 03:55 PM   #5
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What exactly goes into such productions? What parts specifically is the screen writer responsible for?
Wow, big question. I've been in this business for the past 13 years, so I'll try and help you as best I can.

How much the screenwriter is responsible for depends on who the writer is. If he is also the director, like George Lucas, then he pretty much writes it however he wants it. But for most writers who are looking to sell their work for someone else to produce (called spec writing), there are some hard rules we have to follow.

First off, no shot directions, ever. If a producer sees shot directions on a script, such as: the camera pans up to reveal a wide shot, then it gets tossed in the can. That sort of thing is the director's responsibility, and if a writer tries to throw them in, then he's seen as stepping on the director's toes.

Actor's performances and how they deliver a line is also verboten for screenwriters. We lay out the action and the dialogue. How the actor delivers it is up to them and the director. The only time this is acceptable is if it is important to the scene for clarity. ie: Imagine a scene in which Dan is talking to both Theresa and Jill.

Theresa
Come on Dan, it'll be fun.

Dan
I told you that I'm not going to the lake today.
(to Jill)
Would you talk some sense into her, please.

Jill
Hey, keep me out of this.

As you can see by the example, the writer puts in only what is necessary. We don't say whether or not that Dan is angry when he turns of Jill, if he's whiny, if he's tired, nothing. Only the bare minimum that lets the actors know what's going on in the scene.

Next is that excessive description for a scene is heavily frowned upon. It's not a novel, so don't write it like one. You never say: He climbed the stairs slowly, feeling as if he were marching to his doom. His hesitation evident in every step. The correct way is: He climbs the stairs slowly, appearing hesitant.

Again, bare minimum. The screenplay is seen as little more than a template for the actors and director to work off of. Crappy, I know, but that's how the business is. The writer gets absolutely no respect and his work is often trashed by the time the picture is done.

To give you a little hint of the writer/ producer relationship, I'll relay a joke that's been circulating around for a while.

A producer and writer were lost in the desert after their plane went down. After crawling for miles through the burning sand, they finally sight an oasis and run towards it. Once there, the writer bends down to drink, only to find the producer standing over him, pissing in the water. "What the hell are you doing?" The writer asks angrily. "I'm doing what I always do." The producer repsonds. "I'm making it better."

Welcome to filmmaking.

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Old 07-02-2004, 12:46 PM   #6
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Spudley: I looked up that category on Lit.org; it'll be very helpful looking at those.

Oz: Whoa thanks, that's the kind of meat I was looking for! Now I understand the phrase about no respect for writers! Am I to understand that the screenplay is not also the script? Because obviously it's going to go through many revisions.

Thanks again! <3
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:27 PM   #7
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Am I to understand that the screenplay is not also the script?
No, they are the same thing. But granted, I've never heard anyone on set or during pre-production call it a screenplay. It's always just a script. Probably just because it's shorter. The only time you really hear or see the term screenplay is when a writer is looking to sell a script or on the credits at the end of the film. So basically, it's a screenplay at the begining and end, and a script for the rest of the time in between.

Now this is definately not a hard rule of film terminology. It's just how the two words seemed to get used in everyday use.

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Old 07-02-2004, 05:11 PM   #8
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Would anyone be willing to read/comment on part of a screenplay I've written so far? It's about an underground high school club that is intent on starting a revolution. Email me at mattanvsworld@yahoo.com if you're interested.
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Old 07-03-2004, 03:29 AM   #9
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Oh, Just remebered another good site, here it is, just in case you didn't get it on Google

http://screenwriting.ugo.com/screenw...aidscribes.php
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