What if Christ didn't come to earth until today? - Page 3 - Writers Forum

Malone · 01-17-2008, 08:42 PM

You really think Christians stopped persecuting people that didn't believe what they do hundreds of years ago? I think there are some abortion clinics that would argue differently...

And as to the German killing Jew argument, it wasn't quite the Germans that wanted to kill Jews, it was the Nazi party, and yes, they still want to kill all Jews.

I honestly don't like or trust Germans anyways, but if you're going to accuse an entire nation of Mass Murder, at least get the particulars correct.

The Backward OX · 01-17-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeker

Actually, this is what would intrigue me. I haven't googled the original title, but I doubt that's what it is about.

What I would want to see is a story on 'what would the world be like without the concept of Christianity laid upon Judaism.

No crusades of course. And a continued search for a messiah that never came, even in some beliefs. And when Mohammed came around - what did he do and what was different?

What were the major religions that arose/continued? How did Europe develop? Did the Roman Empire survive since Constantine wouldn't have split it due to the Christian factions?

Would the same inventions have occurred?

NOW THIS would be an interesting story.

What would be the most interesting story ever told is the way "things" may have evolved if the freakin' church hadn't come along and stamped out all the old pagan beliefs.

The Backward OX · 01-17-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mythologicalrealities

See, the problem I find with Christians is that they give all their faith and love to some dude up in the clouds and spurn those who need them in the real world.

My parents, when I was a little girl, played tapes to me as I was going to sleep, about a mean king. Apparently worms came and ate his fingers and his toes because he didn't believe in God. I grew up terrified that the daydreams I had about imaginary, fantasy lands were 'evil'.

My grandmother bluntly told me that I won't make a difference in the world unless I'm christian. Then she told me I should have faith that Jesus will come and change the world so that I won't need to do anything.

Except, of course, be blind to the real reality, and the real people in it, who don't need a miracle, but merely some kindness.

I have never met someone religious who has treated me with respect. I have had friends who spurned me for going to Mind, Body, Spirit festivals, aunties who have given me bibles for Christmas, and a christian boyfriend who tried to rape me. Plus, parents who raised me in fear and grandparents who don't want me to do anything except sit on my ass and wait for some mythological man to come and save the world.

Maybe people aren't killed in the name of the church anymore. But they are prosecuted, nevertheless, and no matter how blatantly you try to deny it, it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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And just for the record, look around the earth the way it is.
If hell exists we're already it. We need to get up and make a difference, not worry about some guy up in heaven and his judgement on us.

persecuted

lordofhats · 01-17-2008, 08:54 PM

I was refering to the skull bashing part Malone, which no matter what you say has essentially stopped. Find me one major branch of christianity that advocate killing people who disagree with its beliefs. The actions of an individual cannot be arbitrally applied to a group.

Christians arn't anymore arrogant than any other group. I get tired of going somewhere, saying I'm christan, and then getting bombarded with anti-christin sentements about how I must be arrogant, or unreasonable, or like blowing up abortion clincs just as much as you must be tired of not being able to walk into walmart without some christian soliciting you with words like "Save your soul now."

Malone · 01-17-2008, 09:06 PM

I'm from the south, so the idea of Christians being the minority is totally foreign to me. Everywhere I go, people are thanking god for something or other, or preaching to me about bullshit I don't want to hear.
I'm pretty open about most things, but I feel like religion is close minded and judgmental enough that I have to fight fire with fire.

Faustling · 01-17-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lordofhats

Christians arn't anymore arrogant than any other group. I get tired of going somewhere, saying I'm christan, and then getting bombarded with anti-christin sentements about how I must be arrogant, or unreasonable, or like blowing up abortion clincs just as much as you must be tired of not being able to walk into walmart without some christian soliciting you with words like "Save your soul now."

Actually that kind of people can be pretty entertaining at times, especially if they aren't very well read or good at debating. Now that I think about it, the kind that's well read and good at debating is fun as well, although in a different way. For an atheist I'm very interested in talking to priests (I've never had the chance to talk to a rabbi or an imam though, that's a shame).

lordofhats · 01-17-2008, 09:21 PM

We must be in two very different parts of the south then. The only signs of christianity I've ever seen in public are Jesus bill boards (Some of them are pretty funny actually Buddy Jesus - Thanks for the Info on Flickr - Photo Sharing!. Come on you know you want to laugh at it.) and soliciters in front of stores and other business establishments.

Not all Christians are close minded and judgemental (I'm judgemental but not about religion). I know many people who will resent being stereotypically labeled one cause alot of the complaints I hear about Christians I've almost never encountered. Except for the solicity thing which even I find annoying.

"Sir save your soul now!"
"Im already christian I don't want your little pocket Bible I got a real one."
"Take it anyway sir!"
"I don't want it I told I'm already christian."
"Take it anyway sir!"
"I'll get you on the way out."
"Ok sir!"

mythologicalrealities · 01-17-2008, 10:03 PM

ok, persecuted. My ideas are what matter, not my spelling

The Backward OX · 01-17-2008, 10:38 PM

That is not a spelling mistake. It is the use of an incorrect word, which can mislead readers.

*Can do better. 6/10

mythologicalrealities · 01-17-2008, 10:47 PM

FFS.

You knew what I meant.
Everyone with half a brain did.

So what if I get words confused?

You know a lot of the most brilliant people in the world were dyslexic?

Malone · 01-17-2008, 11:09 PM

What part of the south do you live in? I know in Ga, Al, NC, SC, TN, etc., it's pretty "jesusey."

thefallingsky&therain · 01-17-2008, 11:10 PM

wow.
why does everyone in here think EVERYTHING has to be a debate? i didn't ask to be bashed or for Jesus to be bashed. i was just reccomending a good book. after all, this IS a thread for BOOKS. and the title for this-the what if Christ didn't come to earth until today-that's a part of the book. the book itself is called Eli. someome PLEASE lock this thread. it's full of drama and immaturity. nice, guys..

The Backward OX · 01-17-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mythologicalrealities

FFS.

You knew what I meant.
Everyone with half a brain did.

So what if I get words confused?

You know a lot of the most brilliant people in the world were dyslexic?

Yeah, everyone with half a brain, even kiwis, knew what you meant – after first skating on another nineteen words to the end of the sentence, realising something didn’t make sense, going back to see what the problem was, finally working it out, muttering about careless writers, then eventually picking up the thread of the story again in the next sentence.

Most serious readers don’t like having to do a writer’s work for them.

Readers don’t like losing the momentum of the story.

Readers particularly expect that writers show a somewhat higher degree of word skills than they themselves possess.

Or if not higher, at least equivalent. And when they, the writers, are found wanting in this regard the readers generally abandon them in favour of those who don’t commit such blunders.

Bottom line – errant writer falls out of favour, books fail to sell, writer finishes up on scrap-heap.

“Mighty oaks from little acorns grow”

Btw, a dyslexic would have probably spelled it “preseucted” or “preesutced” or “dersucteep” or something like that.

The Backward OX · 01-17-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thefallingsky&therain

wow.
why does everyone in here think EVERYTHING has to be a debate? i didn't ask to be bashed or for Jesus to be bashed. i was just reccomending a good book. after all, this IS a thread for BOOKS. and the title for this-the what if Christ didn't come to earth until today-that's a part of the book. the book itself is called Eli. someome PLEASE lock this thread. it's full of drama and immaturity. nice, guys..

Hahahaha. Welcome to WritingForums.com

mythologicalrealities · 01-17-2008, 11:24 PM

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Most serious readers don’t like having to do a writer’s work for them.

Readers don’t like losing the momentum of the story.

Readers particularly expect that writers show a somewhat higher degree of word skills than they themselves possess.

Yes, because a post about religious differences that I typed up in about 5 minutes, and something I actually work on WRITING are similar things.

Oh, and btw, I believe that technically, serious readers do like doing a writers work for them. A good writer leaves things to the imagination.

Maybe you should work on your wording, yourself.

And it's pathetic that you counted how many words there were until the end of the sentence. And most "serious readers" do actually read sentences, they don't critically look over every single word.

Stories mainly focus on the storyline. People who read stories like to do this as well.