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10-29-2007, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by UNDEAD
My family is actually related to James Joyce. I think he was an awesome writer, definitely one of the best.
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One of the main reasons I cite him as one of the best is because, when you consider his entire body of work, everything he's written is so damn good and influential, a rare feat even amongst the best of writers. Flaubert had The Temptation of St. Anthony, Dickens had Nicholas Nickleby and Nabokov had Defense. With Joyce, however, even his play ( Exiles) and two collections of poetry, though overlooked, are considered to be great works of art.
It's hard to dispute, I think, whether you like him or not, that his influence on 20th Century literature is unrivalled. Ulysses is a tremendously significant novel, Molly Bloom's monologue and the chapter at the funeral is some of the best prose I've read. Whether or not Finnegans Wake is gibberish is an ongoing dicussion today. I think it has its strengths. |
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10-29-2007, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
One of the main reasons I cite him as one of the best is because, when you consider his entire body of work, everything he's written is so damn good and influential, a rare feat even amongst the best of writers. Flaubert had The Temptation of St. Anthony, Dickens had Nicholas Nickleby and Nabokov had Defense. With Joyce, however, even his play (Exiles) and two collections of poetry, though overlooked, are considered to be great works of art.
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I see. James Joyce was great because everything he wrote was great and everyone thinks he's great. Other 20th century authors wrote great stuff but they were not as great as Joyce.
A tour de force! Two thumbs up! A+++++++++++ would read again!
You are the king of literary criticism! I bet this stuff kills during circle time in your introduction to English lit class.
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"Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons wait for you down there. Little pets they are, little little little pets. Cute little things, they say. Don't you believe it. No man ever saw them and walked away alive. You won't either. That's the final dash, flash. That's the utter clobber, cobber." --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrillia.
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10-29-2007, 09:37 PM
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I see. James Joyce was great because everything he wrote was great and everyone thinks he's great. Other 20th century authors wrote great stuff but they were not as great as Joyce.
A tour de force! Two thumbs up! A+++++++++++ would read again!
You are the king of literary criticism! I bet this stuff kills during circle time in your introduction to English lit class.
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Little Clancy-boy, does a 34-year old have nothing better to do but lurk around the forum and insult every post I make?
Again, I've never taken any literature class and don't consider myself a literary critic. I'm just an unusually well-read person. Better read than you are, for example. Now, do you actually have anything of substance to say about Joyce or Pynchon or anyone, for that matter? Because surely, like me, you've read everything by Joyce, right? |
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10-29-2007, 09:39 PM
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Stop commenting on age, moron.
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10-29-2007, 09:43 PM
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Stop commenting on age, moron.
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You're either a little late, or very biased:
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Originally Posted by ClancyBoy
I'm guessing you're about 18, and your bookshelf contains a lot of Chuck Palahniuk? Am I right?
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10-29-2007, 09:47 PM
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I've been reading this thread.
Did I address you?
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10-30-2007, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
'm just an unusually well-read person. Better read than you are, for example.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion?
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Now, do you actually have anything of substance to say about Joyce or Pynchon or anyone, for that matter? Because surely, like me, you've read everything by Joyce, right?
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More or less. I think his best work is his letter to "sweet little whorish Nora." (posted below)
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“You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora's fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.”
-- James Joyce
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Discuss.
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"Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons wait for you down there. Little pets they are, little little little pets. Cute little things, they say. Don't you believe it. No man ever saw them and walked away alive. You won't either. That's the final dash, flash. That's the utter clobber, cobber." --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrillia.
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10-30-2007, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ClancyBoy
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
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Oh, just a hunch.
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More or less. I think his best work is his letter to "sweet little whorish Nora." (posted below)
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Brilliant. What a strange man. Where's it form?
How did you like Finnegans Wake?
If you're so well read, couldn't you make some form of intellectual comments on Joyce? You've yet to say anything noteworthy about him. |
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10-30-2007, 01:36 AM
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Or this one.
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"Have I shocked you by the dirty things I wrote to you? You think perhaps that my love is a filthy thing. It is, darling, at some moments. I dream of you in filthy poses sometimes. I imagine things so very dirty that I will not write them until I see how you write yourself. The smallest things give me a great cockstand - a whorish movement of your mouth, a little brown stain on the seat of your white drawers, a sudden dirty word spluttered out by your wet lips, a sudden immodest noise made by you behind and then a bad smell slowly curling up out of your backside. "
-- James Joyce
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James Joyce did more to promote the artistic representation of farts and poopstains in English literature than any writer before or since.
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"Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons wait for you down there. Little pets they are, little little little pets. Cute little things, they say. Don't you believe it. No man ever saw them and walked away alive. You won't either. That's the final dash, flash. That's the utter clobber, cobber." --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrillia.
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10-30-2007, 01:40 AM
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Brilliant. What a strange man. Where's it form?
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his letter to "sweet little whorish Nora."
If you look closely, there's a link there.
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"Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons wait for you down there. Little pets they are, little little little pets. Cute little things, they say. Don't you believe it. No man ever saw them and walked away alive. You won't either. That's the final dash, flash. That's the utter clobber, cobber." --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrillia.
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10-30-2007, 09:40 AM
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I am just so enjoying all of these intellectual remarks by Glass. He's just filling us in with information and insight on Joyce.
Oh, and to the poster uneducated enough to comment on "Joyce is great because he's great"...how could you BE so ignorant. He's great because he was the major influence of the century. Because it says so right here.
I'm sure you can tick on on the figers of a single hand all the writers heavily influenced by Joyce. Why Winnegan's Fake is practically the template for everything written since.
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11-13-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo
I'm illiterate by choice, but Finny's Wake does seem quite fucked up.
Sans the philosophy, linguistics, and the effort, sounds like some nonsense words I'd make one day.
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For me, Finnegan's Wake was unreadable. Came off as Joyce's effort at "Hehe, figure this out!"
That said, I did like Portrait of the Artist and certain stories from Dubliners, particularly Portrait. The "pick pock puck of the cricket bats" is a line I will never forget, as is the priest's metaphor of the bird taking a grain of sand from the beach each day. Scary shit to sit through as a young catholic, I'm sure.
But the greatest? No. I'm not sure I'd hang that albatross on any single writer.
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