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10-28-2007, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
Oh no, you're that kind of person. People who like Joyce are elitist assholes, bla bla bla. Not at all what I was going for. Just tired of people blabbering about Rowling and Stephen King. Don't be so black and white about this.
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Why shouldn't he be? After all, you are. need I remind you...
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Nonsense. Based on what? Have you even read it?
What do you read? You gave up on Ulysses, you think the Wasteland is nonsense... just ol' JK Rowling, or?
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10-28-2007, 04:17 PM
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Why shouldn't he be? After all, you are. need I remind you...
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That's hardly being black and white. It's called provocative humour. I'm all set for a real discussion on this, but everyone seems bent on disregarding any chance of having an intellectual debate. |
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10-28-2007, 04:22 PM
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*Buddy Glass, I haven't read him but I don't think he'd be the greatest writer of the century. I know you'll quote me on that, but I'm not much for prose that does need so much esoteric knowledge to understand it, and appreciate it Fully. I do respect the labor, but no, I don't think he's the best just by reading an excerpt from One of his books. He does seem interesting, though.
You were being an asshole, though.
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10-28-2007, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
Well, of course it doesn't. No need to spell it out. It's a title for a thread meant to spark some discussion, not my literal opinion of Joyce.
Besides, if you said Kafka was better than Shelley you would not be saying modernism is better than romanticism. How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion? Kafka does not represent modernism (he was closer to absurdism, anyhow) and Shelley does not represent romanticism. That's the category into which they have been placed by literary theorists. Shelley didn't sit down and say, "OK, since I represent romanticism, I shall write this...".
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The absurdist movement was part of the modernist movement, as were the realist and existentialist movements. Kafka doesn't represent modernism, but he is modernist, and Shelley doesn't represent romanticism, but she is a romantic. By placing one author above another outside of their specific styles (if it can be said that any two authors even write within the same style), you are also comparing the styles.
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10-28-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
Oh no, you're that kind of person. People who like Joyce are elitist assholes, bla bla bla. Not at all what I was going for. Just tired of people blabbering about Rowling and Stephen King. Don't be so black and white about this.
Ha-ha! Couldn't be more wrong, my dear friend. First of all I wasn't referring to Emerson, but Jung (I'm so sorry you didn't know that)
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You're an asshole without the Joyce. Fuck off.
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10-28-2007, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass
That's hardly being black and white. It's called provocative humour. I'm all set for a real discussion on this, but everyone seems bent on disregarding any chance of having an intellectual debate.
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What about the part of my post where I said Joyce killed off modernism? Not intellectual enough for you? There could have been a discussion there, but you decided to go for the insult instead.
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10-28-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hodge
The absurdist movement was part of the modernist movement, as were the realist and existentialist movements. Kafka doesn't represent modernism, but he is modernist, and Shelley doesn't represent romanticism, but she is a romantic. By placing one author above another outside of their specific styles (if it can be said that any two authors even write within the same style), you are also comparing the styles.
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Ok, I see what you mean. Still, if I were to say Kafka was a better writer than Shelley, I am judging them individually. Though, on some level, I suppose a judgment of their respective movements is unavoidable...I wouldn't put too much into it though. After all, every author, even those of the same movements, are very different.
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10-28-2007, 08:11 PM
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What about the part of my post where I said Joyce killed off modernism? Not intellectual enough for you? .
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No, not when it lies at the bottom of a steaming pile of crap. I'm sorry dear Clancy Boy, but you're evidently not too bright. I can imagine the whole collective unconscious thing is still nagging you, seeing as you thought Emerson came up with it. Plus, that judgment of my age and literary taste wasn't exactly accurate, now was it? In fact, have you said anything even remotely interesting?
Don't sweat it kid. It's all good. Fucking off, now... |
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10-28-2007, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by German Voodoo
*Buddy Glass, I haven't read him but I don't think he'd be the greatest writer of the century. I know you'll quote me on that, but I'm not much for prose that does need so much esoteric knowledge to understand it, and appreciate it Fully. I do respect the labor, but no, I don't think he's the best just by reading an excerpt from One of his books. He does seem interesting, though.
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Again, I wasn't really out to ascertain whether or not Joyce is or isn't the greatest writer of the 20th Century. Appreciate the comments, though. However, I don't think you need a heap of "esoteric knowledge" to understand Dubliners, Portrait, or Ulysses. A familiarity with Homer's The Odyssey would help with Ulysses, but other than there are no prerequisites for reading it.
Finnegans Wake is another story, though.
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You were being an asshole, though.
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10-28-2007, 08:55 PM
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No, not when it lies at the bottom of a steaming pile of crap.
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That is not an argument.
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I'm sorry dear Clancy Boy, but you're evidently not too bright.
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Is it that evident? God dammit I have to learn to keep my mouth shut.
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10-28-2007, 08:58 PM
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Clancy is not stupid.
Buddy Glass isn't too stupid. He's not being too beneficent in his intelligence, though. Smart or Smart for a kid ur age?
Stupid fucking brats!
I guess whichever author embodies their "movements" is the best. Someone who doesn't know, or give much fuck about, could still say which author makes better books.
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10-29-2007, 12:49 PM
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everyone seems bent on disregarding any chance of having an intellectual debate.
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You mean an intellectual debate with YOU?
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Originally Posted by Buddy Glass 
No, not when it lies at the bottom of a steaming pile of crap.
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10-29-2007, 01:08 PM
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You mean an intellectual debate with YOU?
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Great stuff. Taking it out of context to prove a point... oh, it's so original.
Lin, you're completely incapable of even supporting your arguments. What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be spewing your sexist nonsense somewhere? |
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10-29-2007, 01:21 PM
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Oh, I'm so sorry. I have not doubt that in some other context you are a powerful intellectual. Some other forum, perhaps. Or maybe an alternative universe where monkeys control the government and educational systems.
You started this knucklehead thread...if there are any massive highbrow themes and citations to be had, maybe you should bring some.
Then maybe we won't continue to think that you are an ignorant, fairly stupid, over-opinionated poser. Unless we've read your other posts.
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10-29-2007, 01:21 PM
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My family is actually related to James Joyce. I think he was an awesome writer, definitely one of the best.
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