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Scarecrow · 07-05-2006, 02:00 PM

What does it matter if Harry dies, really? There aren't going to be any more books.

In any case, I'd say that the whole "Snape and Dumbledore were communicating telepathically right before he died, and Snape is actually a triple agent and wants to save Harry" theory is absolutely correct. I think this because the foreshadowing is so subtle I wouldn't even have noticed it if I hadn't been looking.

It's a pity really. It could have been a great twist for the seventh book. But when you have that many readers I guess someone is bound to pick it up.

mandax · 07-05-2006, 04:35 PM

There's a really elaborate theory over at mugglenet.com that you should look at. It makes a lot of sense. Snape can definitely be innocent.

Scarecrow · 07-06-2006, 02:15 AM

Exactly. And the thing is, it's pretty much blown the plot of the last novel. My guess is, it will be a major plot twist - unfortunately some bright spark picked up on the foreshadowing and now everyone knows, before it's even been written.

Blossom · 07-06-2006, 05:42 AM

But there are so many theories out there we can't possibly know what's going to happen. The only person who does know for certain is JK, and she's not telling.

The sixth book (which I read in 8 hours! Woo!) seemed somewhat stretched, and I think a lot of it was obviously just filling to make the book a bit more substantial (i.e. a lot of the romances). Particularly books 5 and 6 are now leading up to book 7, so I think they have less of a solid plotline than books 1, 2 and 3. It was still very good though.

I think the films are all good, but as films in their own rights. It would be impossible for them to create a 2-3 hour film that covers everything than happens, and no matter what someone's going to find fault with them. They should have had Peeves in though.

What really annoyed me about the sixth book is the Harry/Ginny tryst. I was so hoping for a Harry/Luna romance, so I was really disappointed. Luna is so blatantly the best female character in the book (sorry Hermione). I hope that the actress playing her in the 5th film does her justice.

I think Gary Oldman was an accurate representation of Sirius, because it says he used to be handsome, but he wasted away during his twelve years in Azkaban and now looks gaunt, malnourished, sick and vampirish, but he improves by the fifth book. So we'll have to wait and see if he looks any better ^^

Snape's evil. Sorry, but he is.

It does matter if Harry dies, because if he doesn't JK may write/be pressured into writing a sequel series, or there may be non author written sequels, which there should never ever be.

How old were all you guys when you got into HP? I was 8/9, and I've been completely obsessed ever since. It was when the third book came out that they started getting really popular, I think, so I'm really pleased that I can say I loved the books before then ^^

Hakeem · 07-06-2006, 06:09 AM

Ah the movies the movies the movies... everybody is talking about the movies... I completely utterly hate the damn stupid movies!! They don't justify the books at all.

I am one of the first Harry Potter fans, I read the stone from the time it was published till the HBP last July, I bought it at 11 AM and finished it at 1 AM! Constant reading (thought with bathroom breaks). I completely loved it...

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Snape's evil. Sorry, but he is.

Snape, he is definitely NOT a traitor, and the reason is clearly visible in the books. JKR, through out the 6 books, focused on the importance of Dumbledore's trust towards Snape, and no matter how Harry tried to tell Dumbledore that Snape is a spy for You-Know-Who, and how he overheard him talking to Draco and offering him help, Dumbledore remained strongly convinced that Snape is on the good side... So we can conclude that there is a strong reason behind Dumbledore's blind trust. And when Snape killed Dumbledore, it was obviously planned for, because when Dumbledore pleaded for Snape, it meant that he should kill him and follow his orders: Which are for Snape to end his life if something like this happened.

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But there are so many theories out there we can't possibly know what's going to happen.

I agree that there is probably thousand of theories out there, but I can tell you some of them are accurate and true (even JKR said that herself). The previous 6 books are packed with clues to what is going to happen through out the series, beginning from Sirius's to Dumbledore's demise. But the only thing that is not certain is whether our beloved Harry is going to die or not, and if he does, bye bye Harry sequels, and if doesn't, then there is a chance that a sequel might see the light..

I don't know if you all already heard, but JKR said in her latest interviews that two characters got the reprieve, and I'm sure that Ron is one of them, because clues in the past 5 books have been pointing towards Ron's demise.

Blossom · 07-06-2006, 09:31 AM

I think JK actually said one character got a reprieve and two characters she didn't intend to die did.

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Snape, he is definitely NOT a traitor, and the reason is clearly visible in the books. JKR, through out the 6 books, focused on the importance of Dumbledore's trust towards Snape, and no matter how Harry tried to tell Dumbledore that Snape is a spy for You-Know-Who, and how he overheard him talking to Draco and offering him help, Dumbledore remained strongly convinced that Snape is on the good side... So we can conclude that there is a strong reason behind Dumbledore's blind trust. And when Snape killed Dumbledore, it was obviously planned for, because when Dumbledore pleaded for Snape, it meant that he should kill him and follow his orders: Which are for Snape to end his life if something like this happened

This is why Dumbledore trusted Snape:

"I'd love to know what Snape told him to convince him," said Tonks.
"I know," said Harry, and they all turned to stare at him. "Snape passed Voldemort the information that made Voldemort hunt down my mum and dad. Then Snape told Dumbledore he hadn't realised what he was doing, he was really sorry he'd done it, sorry that they were dead."
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, pg 574 (UK Version)

That's the reason for Dumbledore's "blind" trust. But who's to say he didn't make a mistake? No one has ever said than Dumbledore is always right. Even he himself said the opposite:

"Harry, I owe you an explanation," said Dumbledore. "An explanation of an old man's mistakes. For I see now that what I have done, and not done, with regard to you, bears all the hallmarks of the failings of age. Youth cannot know how age thinks and feels. But old men are guilty if they forget what it was to be young ... and I seem to have forgotten, lately ..." Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, pg 728 (UK Version)

There Dumbledore clearly admits that he makes mistakes. Who's to say he didn't make a mistake about Snape? Hasn't anyone noticed that Snape only ever refers to Voldemort as "The Dark Lord", and the only people who call him that are Death Eaters?

And we don't actually know why Dumbledore was pleading with Snape. We're jumping to conclusions based on the circumstances. For all we know there could be a completely different meaning to them that we'll find out in the seventh book.

Hakeem · 07-06-2006, 11:17 AM

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I think JK actually said one character got a reprieve and two characters she didn't intend to die did.

Yeah well, her voice was not that clear, I told her many times to fix her stupid phone line but she just wouldn't listen, I guess I should have a word with Neil then...

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That's the reason for Dumbledore's "blind" trust. But who's to say he didn't make a mistake? No one has ever said than Dumbledore is always right.

Blossom, honey.. we already covered in the past century that everybody makes mistakes. Not just because our dear Dumbledore said that he made mistakes doesn't mean that he might have made a mistake by trusting Snape! JKR portrayed Dumbledore (especially on the OOTP) as a the character who has all the wordily wisdom and sophistication, the character who is wise, shrewd, insightful and ofcource, prudent. So I don't imagine JKR would put Dumbledore in a situation where he would have made a mistake by trusting Snape, because trust is something hard to gain, taking Snape's history (as you have been very kind to show us by the excerpt above). So I (and anybody) would presume that Dumbledore would have made sure 100% that Snape is honest and trust worthy.

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There Dumbledore clearly admits that he makes mistakes. Who's to say he didn't make a mistake about Snape? Hasn't anyone noticed that Snape only ever refers to Voldemort as "The Dark Lord", and the only people who call him that are Death Eaters?

Hello?? You just said it! He was a Death Eater so he is bound to call him that!

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And we don't actually know why Dumbledore was pleading with Snape. We're jumping to conclusions based on the circumstances. For all we know there could be a completely different meaning to them that we'll find out in the seventh book.

There are two possible explanations: Either Dumbledore was pleading Snape NOT to kill him (which I think is highly unlikely, because all of us know that someone like Dumbledore wouldn't just simpley... plead!). And the other is he was pleading for him to kill him.. that remains that.

As you said, all our discussions are but gone in vain, we all would find when JKR publishes the seventh book. And if Snape is bad, then I'm taking you on a date blossom (if that's fine with you), but I have to warn you that we might run into JKR, she developed this kind of an attitude, so we'll have to refrain from getting her along to go with us... don't you agree?? )

KeineAngst · 07-07-2006, 01:37 AM

i think Ginnys going to be one that dies. and harry definetly will.

A_MacLaren · 07-07-2006, 06:51 AM

Doesn't Dumbledore say that the greater the man, the greater his mistakes?

Blossom · 07-07-2006, 07:03 AM

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As you said, all our discussions are but gone in vain, we all would find when JKR publishes the seventh book. And if Snape is bad, then I'm taking you on a date blossom (if that's fine with you), but I have to warn you that we might run into JKR, she developed this kind of an attitude, so we'll have to refrain from getting her along to go with us... don't you agree??)

I'm gonna hold you to that. What do I have to do if Snape's good?

Hakeem · 07-07-2006, 07:21 AM

well... ummm... *thinking of something evil*.....*still thinking*.... AHA! You just have to make us a cherry pie! That should be considerably easy and not so evil at the same time, ain't it?

Blossom · 07-07-2006, 08:17 AM

You haven't tasted my cooking ....

All-righty then. If Snape is good, I will deliver one cherry pie.

Hakeem · 07-07-2006, 11:52 AM

It's a deal then!

Itsaboysname · 07-07-2006, 12:02 PM

Remember when in the sixth book they keep saying Dumbledore is angry at Snape for something? He was definately angry because Snape made they Unbreakable vow, and had to help Draco kill him.

Also, what about R.A.B.? Who do y'all think that is?

Blossom · 07-07-2006, 02:05 PM

Regalus A. Black. I think pretty much everyone figured that out, but I have to wonder if JK deliberately made it that easy so when we find out it's really someone else we'll be really surprised .....

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It's a deal then!

Sure is. I'd better find a recipe for cherry pie ...... just in case